MR2 Turbo VS Honda Integra Type R???

[RobCrezz]

Didn't peg you as that ignorant Lauren. It may have leaf springs but it's also got double wishbones front & rear (in aluminium), magnetic damping control (which also adjusts squat and dive automatically) plus other goodies like composite brakes.

Hardly 200-year old technology now is it?

Has it really got double wishbones? I stand corrected. I'm just wondering how that would work with leaf springs. What a weird setup.

Sorry as you've probably guessed i've never been a fan of american cars.

It doesnt use leaf springs in the traditional sense. It uses independent unequal length double wishbones with transverse fiberglass mono-leaf spring mounted to allow for anti-roll effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs

You shouldnt knock it just because it uses something relitivly low tech. Look at the LS range of V8 engines. They may be high capacity but they are very lightweight (comparable to alot of 4cyl engines in weight) for the power they produce and very efficient too.

[Lauren]

It doesnt use leaf springs in the traditional sense. It uses independent unequal length double wishbones with transverse fiberglass mono-leaf spring mounted to allow for anti-roll effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs

You shouldnt knock it just because it uses something relitivly low tech. Look at the LS range of V8 engines. They may be high capacity but they are very lightweight (comparable to alot of 4cyl engines in weight) for the power they produce and very efficient too.

Thanks for that very interesting. I didn't actually realise that it was being used in this way, so all news to me, you learn something every day etc.

Must say though i'm still completely underhwelmed by Merkin 2valve V8 engines. I was at a wedding at the weekend a friend of mine has an F355, (he brought it up, hadn't seen it till now) now that sounds like a proper engine to me, tuneful in a way that a merkin engine could never be.

So for me a V8 needs to be Italian or at least European (ie BMW M3 etc).

[johnp]

It doesnt use leaf springs in the traditional sense. It uses independent unequal length double wishbones with transverse fiberglass mono-leaf spring mounted to allow for anti-roll effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs

You shouldnt knock it just because it uses something relitivly low tech. Look at the LS range of V8 engines. They may be high capacity but they are very lightweight (comparable to alot of 4cyl engines in weight) for the power they produce and very efficient too.

Thanks for that very interesting. I didn't actually realise that it was being used in this way, so all news to me, you learn something every day etc.

Must say though i'm still completely underhwelmed by Merkin 2valve V8 engines. I was at a wedding at the weekend a friend of mine has an F355, (he brought it up, hadn't seen it till now) now that sounds like a proper engine to me, tuneful in a way that a merkin engine could never be.

So for me a V8 needs to be Italian or at least European (ie BMW M3 etc).

What about the Rover(ex Buick,of course) in TVR's... pre cat 4.3 or HC 5k litre--340hp...standard they sound good,with the right exhaust system they sound fantastic. .

[mattcambs]

What do you mean by Merkin, Lauren?

[BarronMR]

What do you mean by Merkin, Lauren?

American, I think.

As for v8's, I'd like a 1uz. Toyota reliability, prices and running costs with a nice soundtrack. I've been looking at v8 soarer's with a view to flogging the mk2 v6 and getting one of these beasts.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba8sT2BQ4uc

and here's one in an ae86

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CSmllpDQ8 ... re=related

[mattcambs]

What do you mean by Merkin, Lauren?

American, I think.

Doh!

Anyway the v8 in the Corvette is an absolute peach apparently

[Lauren]

What about the Rover(ex Buick,of course) in TVR's... pre cat 4.3 or HC 5k litre--340hp...standard they sound good,with the right exhaust system they sound fantastic. .

Hence why I said European.

And Matt, Merkin=American.... just a phonetic interpretation.

[GeoffC320]

What about the Rover(ex Buick,of course) in TVR's... pre cat 4.3 or HC 5k litre--340hp...standard they sound good,with the right exhaust system they sound fantastic. .

Hence why I said European.

And Matt, Merkin=American.... just a phonetic interpretation.

Buick, of course, being a well-known European brand...not.

[Lauren]

Buick, of course, being a well-known European brand...not.

Meh.

[mattcambs]

And Matt, Merkin=my pubic wig.

TMI

[johnp]

Referring to the Honda Integra side of this discussion,there is another Honda...more refined and comfortable than a Teg,200hp v-tec engine with more torque,handling excellent for a fwd machine.
However it's mostly forgotten now,considered very uncool and fairly rare, so hard to find a good one.
THE HONDA PRELUDE 2.2 V-TEC MONTEGI.
This looks a good low mileage example,shame about the colour .
If it was red with black leather I'd be keen.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/771845.htm

[RobCrezz]

It doesnt use leaf springs in the traditional sense. It uses independent unequal length double wishbones with transverse fiberglass mono-leaf spring mounted to allow for anti-roll effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs

You shouldnt knock it just because it uses something relitivly low tech. Look at the LS range of V8 engines. They may be high capacity but they are very lightweight (comparable to alot of 4cyl engines in weight) for the power they produce and very efficient too.

Thanks for that very interesting. I didn't actually realise that it was being used in this way, so all news to me, you learn something every day etc.

Must say though i'm still completely underhwelmed by Merkin 2valve V8 engines. I was at a wedding at the weekend a friend of mine has an F355, (he brought it up, hadn't seen it till now) now that sounds like a proper engine to me, tuneful in a way that a merkin engine could never be.

So for me a V8 needs to be Italian or at least European (ie BMW M3 etc).

No prob

Agree with you regarding the engines too. The sound of a 355/360/430


There is something about Merc V8s too, but in a different way. Less screamy, more earthquake.

[nikaiyo]

It doesnt use leaf springs in the traditional sense. It uses independent unequal length double wishbones with transverse fiberglass mono-leaf spring mounted to allow for anti-roll effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs

You shouldnt knock it just because it uses something relitivly low tech. Look at the LS range of V8 engines. They may be high capacity but they are very lightweight (comparable to alot of 4cyl engines in weight) for the power they produce and very efficient too.

Thanks for that very interesting. I didn't actually realise that it was being used in this way, so all news to me, you learn something every day etc.

Must say though i'm still completely underhwelmed by Merkin 2valve V8 engines. I was at a wedding at the weekend a friend of mine has an F355, (he brought it up, hadn't seen it till now) now that sounds like a proper engine to me, tuneful in a way that a merkin engine could never be.

So for me a V8 needs to be Italian or at least European (ie BMW M3 etc).

A bit like saying Salmon is better than Ribena, they are so different to make comparrison virtually pointless.
A Ferarri V8? is that not the equivalent of buying an American car with a V6?

[Lauren]

A bit like saying Salmon is better than Ribena, they are so different to make comparrison virtually pointless.
A Ferarri V8? is that not the equivalent of buying an American car with a V6?

Well that is exactly the point i'm making. A merkin V8 doesn't have the class or tunefulness of say a Ferrari V8.

No a Ferrari V8 is nothing like buying a dull as ditchwater underpowered merkin V6. If you've been in a merkin V6 you will know exactly what I mean. This would be underlined by a ride in a Ferrari V8. I've done both so I can tell you that it is not equivalent at all.

[Ekona]

Except that an Italian flat-plane V8 sounds like a bag of rusty old bolts being rattled in a tin can. I much prefer the deeper rasp of a US-sourced V8, or even *gulp* a German one.

Best sound at Le Mans this year by a country mile were the C6.Rs. Absolutely glorious.

[nikaiyo]

A bit like saying Salmon is better than Ribena, they are so different to make comparrison virtually pointless.
A Ferarri V8? is that not the equivalent of buying an American car with a V6?

Well that is exactly the point i'm making. A merkin V8 doesn't have the class or tunefulness of say a Ferrari V8.

No a Ferrari V8 is nothing like buying a dull as ditchwater underpowered merkin V6. If you've been in a merkin V6 you will know exactly what I mean. This would be underlined by a ride in a Ferrari V8. I've done both so I can tell you that it is not equivalent at all.

Yeah but they are built to do totally different jobs, the old pushrod 5.7 V8's with 150bhp were designed to run virtually unserviced for 20,000miles and be serviceable by a hick mechanic in Alabama.

A Ferrari V8 needs specialist care etc. Compare the motor from a F355 to say a Jack Roush 5.7 V8 and the power outputs are similar and the sound of those engines makes the F355 sound pretty lame.

Dont get me wrong a Ferarri engine produces much greater power etc but its a different beast.

My point about Ferrari V8 and US V6 is that a Ferrari V8 is the 2nd choice Ferrari power unit much as the 6 pots are in the US. I was not trying to say a Ferarri V8 performes like a US V6.

[JohnnyC]

Slightly off topic, but features an Integra...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fYmpZq3mo ... re=related


And then someone did this to the vid...
http://www.reflecton.co.uk/bennyteg/bennyteg.html

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Merkin
mer⋅kin   /ˈmɜrkən/ [mur-kuhn]

–noun false hair for the female pudenda.

Origin:
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[RobCrezz]

Referring to the Honda Integra side of this discussion,there is another Honda...more refined and comfortable than a Teg,200hp v-tec engine with more torque,handling excellent for a fwd machine.
However it's mostly forgotten now,considered very uncool and fairly rare, so hard to find a good one.
THE HONDA PRELUDE 2.2 V-TEC MONTEGI.
This looks a good low mileage example,shame about the colour .
If it was red with black leather I'd be keen.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/771845.htm

Its "Motegi" there is no N. And all the Motegi part was the bodykit.

I had a 2.2 VTEC prelude, it was a good car, more of a GT than the Integra though.

[johnp]

Referring to the Honda Integra side of this discussion,there is another Honda...more refined and comfortable than a Teg,200hp v-tec engine with more torque,handling excellent for a fwd machine.
However it's mostly forgotten now,considered very uncool and fairly rare, so hard to find a good one.
THE HONDA PRELUDE 2.2 V-TEC MONTEGI.
This looks a good low mileage example,shame about the colour .
If it was red with black leather I'd be keen.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/771845.htm

Its "Motegi" there is no N. And all the Motegi part was the bodykit.

I had a 2.2 VTEC prelude, it was a good car, more of a GT than the Integra though.

Thank you for correcting my spelling,but I think you will find that the Motegi also had the 17'' wheels standard and the engine produced more power (although the higher power engine IIRC was standardised on the later ordinary V-tec) and ,to further confuse things, the standard car could have the wheels and bodykit as extras.