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The thing is though Andy, an engine that is as high revving as the vtec is going to have close ratios. Ergo turbo cars that don't rev as high and have lots more torque naturally need longer ratios.

Its not a criticism of either, I am merely pointing out that it is obvious really.

Tbh when i test drove the one we are looking to buy, it felt absolutely fine in keeping up with traffic just using low-ish rpms. I was keen to see what it would be like when you aren't thrashing it. Sure it wasn't mental fast, but it was perfectly adequate for general town driving.

I agree it is a bit noisier though not as much as say a mk1 mr2 i thought. Not as quiet as the beemer but seemed livable enough. Agree brilliant seats (excellent deep recaros) and great driving position. I'm not sure i agree that it feels less sporty, if anything that car entices you to push it harder as the drive is very involving i found. In fact i got a bit carried away as a result at times such was the car's enthusiasm for inspiring confidence.

The brakes on the car we tried were just fantastic though they had been upgraded to UK spec. Really firm pedal, which made heel and toeing not quite so easy to do unless you were pushing on.
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Yay! I quite agree!

Regarding the 'sporty' feel, I think it's the whole 2-seater cockpit, where you have the doors, and ventre tunnel and everything cocooning you, I think that's what I mean...

I have a '55 plate Fiesta ST to potter round in now aswell as the '2, and that's got the 150bhp version of the Duratec engine, it makes peak torque of 140lbsft, so assuming we both kept it under 'V-Tec' (5500rpm/6200??) the performance would be similar, and I do find myself "jumped" by those turbo diesel things, I think that's where my point came from, but perfectly adequate performance you're right!
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Lauren wrote:

Tbh when i test drove the one we are looking to buy, it felt absolutely fine in keeping up with traffic just using low-ish rpms. I was keen to see what it would be like when you aren't thrashing it. Sure it wasn't mental fast, but it was perfectly adequate for general town driving.


I saw an old top gear with Tiff Nedle test driving the UK spec DC2. He said that under 6200 (or when ever v-tec kicks in) the car has 130bhp, in the vtec zone it peaked at 185bhp. I would agree and say that this was more than adequate for town driving (and to be honest quite a lot faster than a lot of cars).
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Indeed. I was test driving as 1.3 panda turdbo dismal today and tbh that felt absolutely fine for road driving in terms of performance.
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luthor1 wrote:/back to the fun...

Assuming both teg and MR2 are 200ps (BEAMS being most likely here...)

Power to weight...

Teg - 200ps/1045 x 1000 = 191ps/tonne
MR2 - 200ps/1310 x 1000 = 153ps/tonne.


The Beams engined 2's are 1220kg so 164ps/tonne.
Not that it makes much difference of course.

DC2's are all hype anyway and I've already laid waste to a DC5.
When I eventually do encounter a DC2 on the road I'll have it for breakfast.






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nikk1877 wrote:
The Beams engined 2's are 1220kg so 164ps/tonne.
Not that it makes much difference of course.

DC2's are all hype anyway and I've already laid waste to a DC5.
When I eventually do encounter a DC2 on the road I'll have it for breakfast.
BEAMS E-thug here :mrgreen:


Meh. There is far more to a DC2 than what it does 0-60mph in. Its not held in such high esteem by those in the know without good reason. I'm guessing you haven't driven one?
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Lauren wrote:Meh. There is far more to a DC2 than what it does 0-60mph in. Its not held in such high esteem by those in the know without good reason. I'm guessing you haven't driven one?


who are "those in the know" ? sounds like shady govt. conspiracy theory people to me ! why would he want to drive one, he's already beaten one ? more to life than 0-60 ? you're right, there's the rest of the 1/4 mile too !
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The TVIS Kid wrote:
I saw an old top gear with Tiff Nedle test driving the UK spec DC2. He said that under 6200 (or when ever v-tec kicks in) the car has 130bhp, in the vtec zone it peaked at 185bhp. I would agree and say that this was more than adequate for town driving (and to be honest quite a lot faster than a lot of cars).


indeed, thats more BHP before the VTEC kicks in than all but the more recent Golf GTis had full stop. :)
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splashnatz wrote:
Lauren wrote:Meh. There is far more to a DC2 than what it does 0-60mph in. Its not held in such high esteem by those in the know without good reason. I'm guessing you haven't driven one?


who are "those in the know" ? sounds like shady govt. conspiracy theory people to me ! why would he want to drive one, he's already beaten one ? more to life than 0-60 ? you're right, there's the rest of the 1/4 mile too !


Those in the know are drivers, ie people who like a 'drivers' car.

1/4 miles are not everything are they? If you judge a car on how fast it does the 1/4 mile then you are pretty much missing the point. It would be pure idiocy, would it not to dismiss a car just because you beat it in a drag race up the local 'duel' carriageway.
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so being a driver, i'm in the know ? i like a drivers car : beetles, porsches, mr2s, land rovers, beemers, volvos and fiats and tons more so far ... so it still sounds like an x-file to me ...



gotta laugh at "duel" carriageway though ! :lol:
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splashnatz wrote:so being a driver, i'm in the know ?


Obviously not, or you would get it. :tongue:
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well just to clear it up for you Lauren - I dropped the DC5 on a road with 'corners'. Straight line duels don't really interest me much either.

Hope I didn'tcome across as trying to rubbish integra's - was having a laugh.

But I'm still faster than a DC5 so I'm still the champion who will strike fear into the hearts of DC2 owners. :mrgreen:

Infact soon they'll be sticking Beams badges to their Honduhs :oldtongue:
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luthor1 wrote:Teg is awesome, and will do all the things you require - except keep up with a 300bhp Rev3 turbo!! The TEG does a great job of feeling like an awesomely fast car until you do a 30mph roll on against the tweaked turbo, I know, we've done it.

Coming from a turbo, you'll notice that it feels like you've got a 'box full of 1st gears, when you change it doesn't feel like the next gear is much different ratio to the one you just came out of unlike in the tubby, when you feel like you've got a long-ish gear to get that wall of torque to push against.

You'll find that to keep up with modern diesel turbo cars you are thrashing it everywhere spending your time at 4-6000rpm.

On the cruise it'll do great mpg, but those 9krpm blats drink the fuel.

It's noisier than a stock tubby inside, but the seats are awesome for grip, and the seating position is good although it feels less sporty, and the steering wheel isn't quite as adjustable.

Brakes are better than a stock tubby. Can't think of much else really. Go drive one!


Enjoy reading your articles Andy, you have a good understanding of torque,engine inertia,gearing ratios and the whole driving dynamics and reminds myself of the important basics of tuning and probably why we have done the type of tuning to arrive at this point, good chat!

Hey Lauren, your new Honda sounds like our previous Levin, 4agze, super charger in terms of chassis, tight gear change and revs for ever!!! Love it!!!

Ant, you have a point about driving London with a Mr2 turbo v Honda, tough call, be great to have both I suppose? Probably the Honda might be more of a rewarding drive about London? Mm... :-k :D 8) :lol: :mrgreen: :thumleft:

...except does it look like your shiny red supercar with gorgeous rims and detail and all that hard work you have gone throught to get her up to the excellent current standard?...mm...and you know this car well?... 8)
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nikk1877 wrote:well just to clear it up for you Lauren - I dropped the DC5 on a road with 'corners'. Straight line duels don't really interest me much either.

Hope I didn'tcome across as trying to rubbish integra's - was having a laugh.

But I'm still faster than a DC5 so I'm still the champion who will strike fear into the hearts of DC2 owners. :mrgreen:

Infact soon they'll be sticking Beams badges to their Honduhs :oldtongue:


LOL.. well i guess being the fastest on the road doesn't interest me that much, or i wouldn't have bought a DC2. If anyone tries to race me on the road, i just pull over, seriously not interested in causing an accident.

I think a beams engine is inherently inferior to a VTEC in all honesty.. but anyway there is another argument.
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Harry wrote:
...except does it look like your shiny red supercar with gorgeous rims and detail and all that hard work you have gone throught to get her up to the excellent current standard?...mm...and you know this car well?... 8)


The DC2 really is quite special though. How many other cars have hand finished engine porting and have their big end caps tightened with a micrometer by hand? How many others have a fully balanced rotating assembly and a thinner windscreen and extra chassis bracing to stiffen the shell and lose weight? It really is a very focused car and that is the appeal really.
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Lauren wrote:
Harry wrote:
...except does it look like your shiny red supercar with gorgeous rims and detail and all that hard work you have gone throught to get her up to the excellent current standard?...mm...and you know this car well?... 8)


The DC2 really is quite special though. How many other cars have hand finished engine porting and have their big end caps tightened with a micrometer by hand? How many others have a fully balanced rotating assembly and a thinner windscreen and extra chassis bracing to stiffen the shell and lose weight? It really is a very focused car and that is the appeal really.


Sounds fantastic Lauren, in fact just the type of car I would appreciate with out a doubt but was more focusing on the image and aesthetics of Ant's MR 2 which also has mint body works, also not comparing cars at all!

Hey Lauren, can you send me a link of your precise unit model Honda with the tech spec as not too au fie with Honda models and could quite possibly look for one myself. LOL! :lol: :+:
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Lauren wrote:
nikk1877 wrote:

I think a beams engine is inherently inferior to a VTEC in all honesty.. but anyway there is another argument.


Well I wont disagree - VTEC engines are much more high tech, but call me a fanboi, I prefer the power delivery of the Beams.

oops seems i'm dragging this even farther off topic.


MR2 Turbo FTW!
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nikk1877 wrote:
Lauren wrote:
nikk1877 wrote:

I think a beams engine is inherently inferior to a VTEC in all honesty.. but anyway there is another argument.


Well I wont disagree - VTEC engines are much more high tech, but call me a fanboi, I prefer the power delivery of the Beams.

oops seems i'm dragging this even farther off topic.


MR2 Turbo FTW!


Well, I have the Toyota Altezza RS 200-Z-Auto tiptronic black top twin VVTI engine, and is a hell of an engine! As you mentioned the power delivery is truly out of this world! :twisted:
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can i just ask what a "beams" engine is? i had a strange dream the other night and someone told me it ran on natural gas or something? - i suppose thats not as weird as the one where i was a turnip and the farmer was chasing me with a big gun...but i am genuinely interested in the answer.. - to the beams question that is.
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eatdrinkfeck wrote:can i just ask what a "beams" engine is? i had a strange dream the other night and someone told me it ran on natural gas or something? - i suppose thats not as weird as the one where i was a turnip and the farmer was chasing me with a big gun...but i am genuinely interested in the answer.. - to the beams question that is.


Its a variant of the 3sge engine with variable valve timing. Its rated at 200bhp.
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