Been pulled by VOSA :( not good

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Re: Been pulled by VOSA :( not good

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steve wrote:
Bry wrote:Strangely enough there's a VOSA road side check been set up just up the road from my house today,after what they've told you I think I'll steer well clear,as my car aint got a hope in hell of getting by without being stopped.Just borrow a standard exhaust, get it inspected then whack the Nur spec back on,don't let them beat you mate :twisted:


:shock: :shock: :shock:

where abouts mate?

i'll have to steer clear of them :whistle: 8-[ :-$


At the top of the hill just past the copperfield pub/restaurant 8)
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Re: Been pulled by VOSA :( not good

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Bry wrote:
steve wrote:
Bry wrote:Strangely enough there's a VOSA road side check been set up just up the road from my house today,after what they've told you I think I'll steer well clear,as my car aint got a hope in hell of getting by without being stopped.Just borrow a standard exhaust, get it inspected then whack the Nur spec back on,don't let them beat you mate :twisted:


:shock: :shock: :shock:

where abouts mate?

i'll have to steer clear of them :whistle: 8-[ :-$


At the top of the hill just past the copperfield pub/restaurant 8)


cheers Bry, i'll give that road a miss from now on \:D/

EDIT: just emailed VOSA to see if they can confirm the noise limits :whistle:
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Right today is the clean up day.... basically all i need to get it through another mot is tigten the handbrake ( is there somewhere on here to tell me how to do it) and quieten the exhaust....... So is anyone willing to sell me there nur baffle?

Or is there a place that sells removable baffles?
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Re: Been pulled by VOSA :( not good

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Right im outside at this stupid hr of the morning trying to sort my handbrake.... Now the vosa bloke put the handbrake on and pushed the back of my car and failed it because it creaked.... I've just been out and pulled the handbrake up ( 7 clicks ) and the car holds like a rock!!

Now he either took the p1$$ and only pulled it up alittle bit or is 7 clicks to many... just been on the mot guidelines and all it says is:-

Parking brake

This could be hand or foot operated. Checked for reserve travel so that it doesn't reach the stops on application. The mountings will be checked for security and/or corrosion.


So what do i do now?
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OK, u can adjust the hand brake from the under neath the car about the centre, u will need to remove the plastic covers 10 mm bolts hold them on.
After removing the centre rear and the centre plastic covers u will see the hand brake pull assembly which will have two 12mm bolts locking the pully on a long bolt one bolt on each side of the pully.
Now loosen the bolt thats closest to the front of the car and then tighten the one thats rear to the car, but only tighten afew turns at a time and then check how many clicks the hand brake leaver is making.
U will need to be around 4 clicks to pass the mot spot on, DON'T forget to put axle stand under the car for safety when its jacked up.
As for the exhaust just get a bung or borow one and let the mot station know that the exhaust has had a special bung made for it to reduce noise level.
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The toyota specification is 5-8 clicks. On the MOT they test the efficency of the handbrake not the amount of clicks, although I seem to remember something about reserve travel? 7 should be fine, it just sounds like the VOSA guy was being a d1ck.

My MOT guy wouldn't check anything like that as he's usually on his own, so I'd be in the car operating the brakes!

good luck,

Nik

PS: You don't even need to jack the car up to adjust the handbrake if you're scrawny with long arms like me!!
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Re: Been pulled by VOSA :( not good

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so this VOSA guy failed your exhaust without a noise test & the handbrake by pushing down on the back and heard a creak :-k

i might see if i can get a job as an VOSA tester seems damn easy, "nope you failed the emissions, your exhaust didnt smell of oranges" \:D/
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Not good, VOSA are very powerful, and it sounds like you met up with a lovely chap. :roll:

The important thing is NOT TO PANIC. So adjust your handbrake one click and put on lighter tints (or none), no biggie.

Exhaust is a very interesting question, as yes technically there are guidelines on modifications over standard. But to enforce this really is taking it to the letter and beyond and is not normally pursued. :-k An exhaust place should be able to make you a baffle, but if it was passed by an MOT inspector I'd be tempted to take it further and fight it.

As a matter of interest did you buy this off Blitz UK? Like I contacted Tein on the suspension question, I'd contact them and tell them their exhausts are illegal and see what they say - they may have some kind of EU conformity which means Mr Vosa is taking out of his a-r-s-e.
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Not only that - if I took my car to a testing station after being demanded by VOSA and had to pay them to test my car only to find nothing wrong with it, I'd send the bill for my costs to VOSA with a wonderful covering letter about incompetence...
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Damn lad...

Long time no see and sorry to hear that you have been hit by a chap with apparently no sex life.

You have all the info you need in this thread from others so i cant add anything apart from Good luck and hope that you get through it.

Im sure it will be cool and please dont sell the tubby as I will be more upset than you since i convinced you to get one in the first place!

Take it easy
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SB wrote:Not only that - if I took my car to a testing station after being demanded by VOSA and had to pay them to test my car only to find nothing wrong with it, I'd send the bill for my costs to VOSA with a wonderful covering letter about incompetence...


Spot on, I'd do exactly the same =D>

Re. the handbrake, MR2 handbrakes do sit quite high when applied, compared to 'normal' cars, so its more then likely this guy was just being ignorant. If you're within the manufacturers guidlines then leave it, maybe nip it up 1 click like Toni says. Check for any sideways play though because that would make it feel like its a bit loose.

Wish I could help on the baffle front....
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Guys the help on here has been terrific.... thankyou all so much. Its at times like this that i realise why joining a club like this is so worth while. Tbh if i wasnt in this club i would of probably ripped the exhaust off by now and sold it.

You guys have helped me out no end, i've had pm's from people offering to help me adjust my handbrake, i've had superb advice on the legal side and people have been asking around for a baffle for me.... On top of this i've had swap offers and people offering standard exhaust's.

Thankyou all so so much. It looks like it'll be sorted soon... Got my hands on a baffle so im gonna bung that in for a while, I'll do the handbrake when the weather clears up and the tints are off. Lets hope it passes its mot.

Thanks again to everyone =D> =D>
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Al-sw20 wrote:

Was the same here till a while ago. Any non standard OEM exhaust that could be deemed 'significantly louder than standard' the car could be ordered off the road until it was repaired/replaced.

The exhaust/car industry got on the Governments back and now we have a set limit for modified exhausts which is 95db @ 0.5 metres at a set RPM point, a turbo mr2 would be checked at 4000rpm, whereas a V8 would be checked at 3000rpm, and a vtec/mivec whatever would be checked at 4800rpm and so on. Mid engined cars get a 4db extra allowance due to their short exhaust pipework, and if your car is a regular motorsport attendee with an authority card and log book you can have another 2db on top. There is no limit for OEM vehicles.


This in my book is the solution this country needs, no questions then whats aloud and whats not. 95dB isn't exactly quiet either.
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I said this to the vosa examiner. I said if you give me a decibel limit then i can make sure its under the said limit. He just stood there and said, does it sound like a standard car? I said it depends what standard car your on about.... is it quieter than a dodge viper, erm yeah.

He just kept saying its to loud but wouldnt give me a decibel limit to keep it below. Anyone who has seen my car will know its not really that loud... the cat is still in place and i was considering ways of making it louder... but i think i better not now :(

Looks like the baffel will be left it when im using it around town, going to work etc, then pop it out when i go to a meet or out on one of our runs.

I can just see the look on a chavs face now when he's behind me.... look at that mr2 with that big exhaust on it..... but look at the size of the hole inside it..... my 1.2 corsa is louder than that...... yeah whatever chav. :lol:
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Al-sw20 wrote:
The exhaust/car industry got on the Governments back and now we have a set limit for modified exhausts which is 95db @ 0.5 metres at a set RPM point, a turbo mr2 would be checked at 4000rpm, whereas a V8 would be checked at 3000rpm, and a vtec/mivec whatever would be checked at 4800rpm and so on. Mid engined cars get a 4db extra allowance due to their short exhaust pipework, and if your car is a regular motorsport attendee with an authority card and log book you can have another 2db on top. There is no limit for OEM vehicles.


Is that not just on New cars though?

Oh, just found this on www.blitzshop.co.uk and www.blitz-uk.co.uk/exhausts.html

The design and construction of the Nur Spec (S) back box is second to none. They are engineered from mandrel bent SUS304 grade polished stainless steel, with computer controlled precision ‘fishtail’ welding.

Most silencer boxes have a 115mm sized tail pipe. With an 80mm bore pipe which runs from the back box to the middle section joint (on most cars).

All Blitz Nur Spec back boxes conform to the Japanese JASMA regulations. This means that all back boxes will give a noise below 96db, but most Blitz boxes give between 92-96db on a standard car


Don't know if that will help you at all.

Good luck and argue the case :twisted:

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Hmm thats very interesting.... You see if our country gave an exact limit as to whats to loud then i could compare it..... but we just get a silly inspector saying..... its to loud :?
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Re: Been pulled by VOSA :( not good

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...too loud in his opinion perhaps. I'd print out the Blitz UK stuff and take it to the testing station and see if they pass it.

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Bit more digging as I am quiet at work and found this on Pistonheads under a similar discussion:

RTA sec. 76.
—(1) If any person—
(a) fits a vehicle part to a vehicle, or
(b) causes or permits a vehicle part to be fitted to a vehicle,
in such circumstances that the use of the vehicle on a road would, by reason of that part being fitted to the vehicle, constitute a contravention of or failure to comply with any of the construction and use requirements, he is guilty of an offence.

.... construction and use regulations ...

When—
(a) the vehicle is held stationary on a level surface such that there is an unobstructed area not less than 3 metres wide all around the vehicle; and
(b) the engine by which the vehicle is propelled run at a constant rotational speed of 3500 revolutions per minute, the noise measured at 0.5 metres from the exhaust outlet at 45 degrees to the axis of the outlet pipe in a horizontal plane, shall not exceed 101db(A).


I can't find the actual publications online to confirm if this is correct or not, but worth a look, no?
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Re: Been pulled by VOSA :( not good

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Jaspa,

Those last quotes are from the roat traffic act, the way to find out for sure would be to go to a bookshop and look for a blackstones police traffic manual, i imagine they will be printed in there.

I can understand there being a limit on noise levels from exhausts, i just wish someone would comfirm what it is....then im sure everyone would be alright with it. This "ist just too loud" business is a load of bollards!!
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