[Mk2] [Turbo] 3S Service Centre - Shamed

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[Mk2] [Turbo] 3S Service Centre - Shamed

Post by slunk »

Mods please move this to the correct section, I couldn't find one #-o

Sorry for the essay. I just feel that if I'm going to name and shame then I must be comprehensive and fully justify my reasons.

I'd heard a lot of good things about 3S so decided to leave my tubby with them for two weeks whilst I went on holiday. I left them a list of things to do including a new clutch and a blowing exhaust repair job. I emailed them a week into my holiday to check how things were going and received a mail back saying that all the work was done.

However, when I arrived back at Heathrow I called them to arrange to pick the car up that afternoon. This seemed to upset them somewhat and I was asked to call back a few minutes later. I tried calling repeatedly for the next hour or so with no answer. Bearing in mind I'd just gotten off a 12hr flight, was stuck in Heathrow, expected at work in Northamptonshire the next day and didn't know whether to get the train to Hook, home or wherever, this was a rather distressing time for me. The phone was finally answered just before 5pm and I was told that everything was ready but they were now closing (conveniently early). I then asked if they had honestly done my clutch and was told with some hesitation that they had. It was blatantly obvious that they hadn't. I basically said 'look, I'd just like to come and pick up my car please, new clutch or not. If you could take it home with you and I'll make my way there'. This was quickly dismissed as not possible and I was basically told that i had no other option than to collect it the following afternoon.

I stayed in London for the night at my own expense and called into work the following morning, my boss said I'd have to take the day as unpaid leave. I arrived at 3S about lunchtime to find my car in the shed with a mechanic just finishing off some work in the engine bay (clutch!!!). I wasn't given any apology for the confusion, only a rubbish excuse - something along the lines of 'you had me dashing all over the town looking for an exhaust gasket, hard to find because you've got a blue flame exhaust and all, in the end i had to make one out of thick aluminium for you'. Bah!

They charged me 300 quid for the clutch and 30 for a 'one-off' gasket, at this point i was just glad to have my car back in one piece. Honestly, at times i thought it was some kind of a scam and i was never going to see her again. The new clutch felt great on the drive home but the exhaust seemed to be blowing just the same. Just last week i fitted a downpipe and found that a bolt had been sheared holding the exhaust to the cat, causing the blowing. Its funny how they never mentioned that? I suspect they never even looked at the bloody exhaust...

So just a word of warning, these guys aren't professional. Their workshop is a mess and the way they conduct business has a lot to be desired. I'm sure they know what they're talking about and if you're 'mates' you can probably use them to your advantage. However, if you haven't been there before but must for some reason, go with low expectations and watch them like a hawk to make sure they're doing what you're paying for and doing it properly. Seriously though, these guys look like monkeys compared to Rogue.

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I know it's only one-side of a situation but it isn't looking good for 3S' rep!

I think all traders have problems at one time or another (I myself had a minor problem with Rogue hence me not using them since) but that seems quite bad.

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Post by rossdymond3352 »

I believe that every garage, be they your everday garage or a specialist like 3s has there problems in sourcing parts or simply forgets or just gets bogged down with cars. When i got my tubby i was a complete "n00b" when it came to mr2's and at 19, a young kid, James was a very approachable chap from the start who always likes to share information and his knowledge even when you ring him by accident on his holidays! :lol: I've used him many times now, most of the time ringing the workshopwith a problem, or sending him a PM on here, 99% of the time he tells me to bring the car in the next day! And has a look at it when he can.

anyways i can understand where your coming from, although i have never agreed with naming and shaming on forums, fair enough have your say and tell us all your problems, but telling us there bo88ocks and never to use them is a bit OTT

just my 2 pence mate and i hope you get your car sorted soon

Saying these guys arn't professionals however, well thats just damn rude.

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Post by splashnatz »

if slunks just reporting his experience, i see nothing wrong with this. he had a bad experience, why shouldn't other people be allowed to know about it ? It's not a "mate of a mate" had a car done badly by XYZ, it's a MY car was done badly by XYZ.

BUT ... always give the mechanic/garage a chance to sort out any problems you have before posting. things do sometimes get accidentally missed or forgotten. it's not unprofessionalism, it's being human.

You've done right making this post, and if nothing else, it'll make the garage think of what they could of done differently, and may make them better in future.

Hope you get your exhaust leak sorted soon.

All the different garages/mechanics have their fans, they're the people they've done good jobs for, these people regularly post up "XYZ is great" posts, so an "XYZ got it wrong" post should be allowed too.
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Post by matt_mr2t »

I've dealt with James and 3S a few times and they are IMO absolute stars.

James is a top MR2 enthusiast who goes out of his way to make the customer happy.

IMHO going on holiday and leaving a car some where isnt a good idea then expecting it back (even if told so) the moment you return.
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Post by anna »

matt_mr2t wrote:IMHO going on holiday and leaving a car some where isnt a good idea then expecting it back (even if told so) the moment you return.


Why? if they agree it with you, i don't see the problem.

Personal experiences are fine to post btw :thumleft:
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Post by mrmarc »

Ive been to 3S 3 or 4 times now and have spent over 1000 pounds there..
while they are a specialist for 2's and the like i dont belive they are a great garage.
each visit i have had with them there always seems to be a few little bits unsorted or not done well.
e.g.
sratched paintwork!
bolts left inside the drivers footwell~from my car!...but told they were not!.
faulty parts replaced with faulty parts causing me return trips there etc..
found the face plate of my car radio covered in mud kicking around in the passenger footwell(i left it in the glove box!!WTF!)
all in all little things like that which come accross very unprofessional.
i might add..
everytime i douted the garage i read a few posts on how great they were and thort...ah it must be a one off!so i returned...only to have something else happen..
:roll:
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Post by jeffry- »

Your not the only one reporting bad service , i've spoken to numorus people on the other forums and it seems to be getting worse. I've even checked out their forums and it seems to be full of spam and unanswered questions , posts. Alot of the stuff is old and needs updating.

:-k

Better off going to Rogue in future
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Post by [SiG] »

Shop around guys! There are plenty of specialists out there if you have a bad experience with one :)

I also wish to add that Rogue have (since my last visit nearly 2 years ago) resolved the minor issue I had with them and now protect the car fully when working on them (that was my issue, namely the bootlid being unprotected and causing a small dink) even down to specialist Sparco overalls with no zips showing etc :thumleft:

I only wish I'd said something at the time to bring it to their attention. I certainly would in future!

Si

PS I have to say the work I had done there was to a high standard, no quams about that 8)
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Post by rossdymond3352 »

fair enough guys, but i've alwys had great help from james and great work done by his lads, until i see otherwise i will continue to use him and take in all of his professional advice
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Post by matt_mr2t »

James even GAVE me all the parts I needed when I crashed my car. If it wasnt for him I probably wouldnt have it.
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Post by Leakie Tbar »

+1 with the Mad cat with a Orange on its head :D

I think no matter which garage you go to someone somewhere has had a bad experience with that garage

I've been in the Motor trade now for 13 years Apprentice at Toyota, Mechanic at Toyota, working my way up through the ranks to service manager, Now I work for the one of largest motor coperation in the world GMC in technicial department, breath :)

Over the years I have seen exellent technicians hired exellent technicians and seen awfull dangerous techs who should not be allowed to lift a spanner,

There is a massive diffrence in a enthusiast and Technician matt_mr2t personaly trust any one with my car , without a proven background in the Automotive industry.

Anyway the automotive Industry are trying to introduce a corgi type qualification called the ATA (automotive technician accreditation) which they are trying stop poor workmanship, garage from hell types
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Okay chaps, appreciate the comments both sides, my two mechanics have a total of 26 years experience and qualifications to back them up, we must admit that sometimes things slip and like every business have struggles at times, our small workshop does not cut it anymore so new premises will be in operation as of monday which will make the operation more slick and assist in reducing small mistakes. Appologies to anyone that has less than acceptable service whilst the transition is taking place. We are striving to improve on our two years of successfull trading.

All that being said, its nice for anyone with concerns to share them with us so something can be done, not the back handed approach, we go out of our way to offer good service at a good price and cannot sort things if they are not brought to my attention.

James
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Whereabouts are you moving to?
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Post by matt_mr2t »

Leakie Tbar wrote:+1 with the Mad cat with a Orange on its head :D

I think no matter which garage you go to someone somewhere has had a bad experience with that garage

I've been in the Motor trade now for 13 years Apprentice at Toyota, Mechanic at Toyota, working my way up through the ranks to service manager, Now I work for the one of largest motor coperation in the world GMC in technicial department, breath :)

Over the years I have seen exellent technicians hired exellent technicians and seen awfull dangerous techs who should not be allowed to lift a spanner,

There is a massive diffrence in a enthusiast and Technician matt_mr2t personaly trust any one with my car , without a proven background in the Automotive industry.

Anyway the automotive Industry are trying to introduce a corgi type qualification called the ATA (automotive technician accreditation) which they are trying stop poor workmanship, garage from hell types


I actually stayed there with James, Shamek and Brendan while they did the work on my car and although I'm no mechanic I know how to spot some one who knows what they're doing.
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its a real shame to hear of your bad experiance as in my previouse incounters with 3service centre have been absoloutly faultless, i droped my car down to him one saturday morning at 10am he then asked what i wanted done showed him a box of bits in the boot, new turbo, new front pads, new oil fliter and oil, new coolent and clutch change, he said no probs gave me a lift to the station caught a film and had a beer and at 5.30pm i got a call saying all was done and to jump on the train he then collected me from the station i looked the car over and after i was happy payed the man a sum of £350ish for the lot and drove away and the car has never felt better!!! in my opinion there sound and id have no quibbles returning
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3S Service Centre wrote:Okay chaps, appreciate the comments both sides, my two mechanics have a total of 26 years experience and qualifications to back them up, we must admit that sometimes things slip and like every business have struggles at times, our small workshop does not cut it anymore so new premises will be in operation as of monday which will make the operation more slick and assist in reducing small mistakes. Appologies to anyone that has less than acceptable service whilst the transition is taking place. We are striving to improve on our two years of successfull trading.

All that being said, its nice for anyone with concerns to share them with us so something can be done, not the back handed approach, we go out of our way to offer good service at a good price and cannot sort things if they are not brought to my attention.

James


To be fair though James, outright lying to the guy that his car is ready when it wasn't (and ignoring him) is hardly a small mistake? Seems like you really put him out in regards to this job and needs looking at by yourself more closely instead of brushing it under the carpet & pretending all is well.

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Post by 3S Service Centre »

now im confused, im not a liar and resent the comment, how did i lie :-k

Edit: i think you are refering to his comments and understanding of the situation, as already said there are two sides.
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Post by RichardPON »

All garages will have issues and problems occur.

It's how they deal with those problems that determines their ability IMO.

From my experience in the industry though, it's always far better to keep the customer informed of exactly what is going on, rather than telling small white lies to try and cover yourself.
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