[Mk2] [Turbo] Brake up-grades?

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[Mk2] [Turbo] Brake up-grades?

Post by scotiamr2t »

basically looking for feed back on what you fellow mr2 owners use and how you find the perfromance.

although track orientated reviews would be better as thats why i am looking into this. myself and father (or rather father :lol: ) have bought a track ready mr2 from jap land. from experience in my own car the brakes are not up to the job on track days (standard rev 3 brakes with up rated pads).

trackdays your allways being outbraked by cossies evo's etc, who mostly run AP, Alcon or brembo brakes, non of whom do any kits for the little mr2! :evil:

ideally we'd be looking to up-grade to 6pots front 4's rear and a larger master cylinder. budget wise theres about 3k to spend.

anyone any ideas?
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sounds like a beast!!!

Check the group buy section, there was a nice looking kit in there.
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Post by scotiamr2t »

will do cheers nath!

father went over to see the car and all was well so car should be here late january. dyno proven 600ps aswell. hence the need for up-grading the brakes.

although that was on jap fuel and 1.8bar, so it'll be a little less than that over here with our fuel a few degrees timing knocked off and only 1.6bar. needs to be reliable until we find a suitable trailer for it.
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HiSpec 335mm front & rear

Nuff said...

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Post by scotiamr2t »

whats the performance on those like earl? or you not really had a chance to test them out yet?

also how is the brake balance on them as standard the fronts are larger than the rears so how does having the 335mm 4 pots all round effect it?

your set up looks uber 8) though, but im not fussed about looks tbh, its the perfromance of them im interetsed in :)
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scotiamr2t wrote:whats the performance on those like earl? or you not really had a chance to test them out yet?

also how is the brake balance on them as standard the fronts are larger than the rears so how does having the 335mm 4 pots all round effect it?

your set up looks uber 8) though, but im not fussed about looks tbh, its the perfromance of them im interetsed in :)

Sadly not had chance to test them yet mate. Hopefully in the next couple of days. It's basically the same setup that Jonno had on his car. Same size disks all round, with the Monster twin pot caliper kit on the front, and new Rev 2 calipers on the rear, spaced correctly.

Jonno swore by them, and his car was errr... a bit quick to say the least. :shock:

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Post by djlee_dj »

scotiamr2t wrote:will do cheers nath!

father went over to see the car and all was well so car should be here late january. dyno proven 600ps aswell. hence the need for up-grading the brakes.

although that was on jap fuel and 1.8bar, so it'll be a little less than that over here with our fuel a few degrees timing knocked off and only 1.6bar. needs to be reliable until we find a suitable trailer for it.


you retarding the timing due to our feul not being up to much ? this the norm ? i set my timing to 10* BTDC .... it was at 5*TDC. i run it on 97ron (super)
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Post by Leon. »

I'm going to reply to your thread at the risk of getting shot down 8-[

Can I just ask what uprated pads you've been running, out of interest? You know already I'm all about hear say but would a pad upgrade be a good starting point before shelling out big bucks on discs and calipers? - such as Carbotech panther plus pads as sported by Rogue Motorsport on their track car(s) (with rev 2+ brake setup I believe)? You could see how you get on and upgrade after they wear out? Just an idea seeing as stock discs are supposed to be very good 8)

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Post by scotiamr2t »

leeroy no worries dude! :thumleft:

everyone is welcom to speak up and voice there opinions. on my own car i have brembo grooved discs and ds2500 pads and they are good but you still cant brakes as late or as consistently as i or father would like. after all the car the brakes are going on is vastly more powerfull than the cars in the challenge series, and its also going to be a balls out track car thats driven hard.

so we would rather up grade the brakes to a far superior set up as it will reduce lap times and mean we wont be getting blown away in the braking areas by the cossies, evo's etc that regularly run with the AP, Alcon set ups. from my experience in driving a cossie with normal brakes and one with AP's the difference is enormous!
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Ah, I've got you confused with someone else I've had a couple of runs ins with, hence the delicate footwork :lol:

Anyhoo, interested to see what people say...
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scotiamr2t wrote: after all the car the brakes are going on is vastly more powerfull than the cars in the challenge series


Don't underestimate the Challenge cars! Bear in mind that power is not going to be a factor in your breaking, it's speed and weight that are going to be the key. A one ton car with 500bhp is going to require the same stopping power as a one ton car with 200bhp at the same speed...

The Carbotech pads in both road and race spec perform incredibly well and are universally rated by anyone who's ever driven them. One of my hire drivers last season claimed they were on a par with the upgraded brakes on his brand new porsche 911 with over 500bhp.

If you can get to us, you are more than welcome to try out the pads in one of the road legal Challenge cars we have. I garauntee you'll be impressed! We were actually developing a big brake kit with AP Racing last year, but abandoned the project when we discovered the Carbotech pads.

scotiamr2t wrote:and its also going to be a balls out track car thats driven hard.


...if you think we mince around in the MR2 Challenge Series you should really come and watch a race. Or better still - enter one!

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Post by scotiamr2t »

:thumleft: cheers patrick!

some very good info there from someone who has experience with what they are preaching about :)

i might well get a set of these pads and see how they fare, may save me a fair bit ££££. and by no means was i saying you folks in the challenge series hold back!

i've seen the vids you posted and love the action! but i thought it was retricted to na? i.e no turbo's allowed?
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Post by skinthespin »

I have these on mine.....

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They are GT4 calipers and 315mm discs. A bit of feedback for you.

The bias is completely wrong as I have not uprated the rears, there is much more brake fluid to now displace in the front caliper so there isnt as much braking force going to the front as there is to the rears, ive done 9 or 10 trackdays with these brakes on 1 set of pads, I use a set of rears every 2 days. if I put bigger discs on the rear without altering the bias it will be even worse in terms of balance.

I will need a bigger master cylinder ideally as there is so much more fluid to displace (which will be the same as all big 4-pots) the pedal travle is more than I would like, making heel and toe changes more difficult (not impossible of course but harder), something to factor in on a track only car.

They never ever fade. Ever. The suspension is quite stiff, theres not alot of weight over the front wheels when compared to an front engined car so you are always fighting a losiong battle in terms of front end gip under braking. They are powerful enough to lock the front wheels, which is all you need in terms of power, but, they are doing that using a much lower % of there capability, hence they never fade. You really need some very sticky tyres to push brakes of this size on a car like the MR2.

On the same not like some of the other lads have said the standard brakes with very good pads are a very good start.

The main area I lose time on trackdays compared to other fast cars is on the brakes tbh, not much, but im sure im trying much harder than they are!

A trackday with Jonb recently proved that bigger discs etc weren't helping in terms of braking, Jon braking in a pretty similar way to me (with standard brakes but uprated pads), although my set up would come into its own with very sticky tyres (assuming I sort out the balance issues).

Don't underestimate the Challenge cars! Bear in mind that power is not going to be a factor in your breaking, it's speed and weight that are going to be the key. A one ton car with 500bhp is going to require the same stopping power as a one ton car with 200bhp at the same speed...


True, but with 500bhp (and all other things being equal) you'll be arriving at the corner 20mph quicker!
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Post by Andy.B »

Are the GT4 Calipers a straight bolt on job?? Oh and what GT4 did you get them off?? :mrgreen:
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skinthespin wrote:
Rogue wrote:A one ton car with 500bhp is going to require the same stopping power as a one ton car with 200bhp at the same speed...


True, but with 500bhp (and all other things being equal) you'll be arriving at the corner 20mph quicker!


You can't be travelling 20mph quicker at the same speed.... #-o

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[quote="Rogue
Which weighs heavier - a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks?

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Patrick[/quote]

obviously the ton of bricks , #-o

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Post by skinthespin »

lol@Patrick, Im a degree qualified engineer, of course its the ton of bricks....

I cut and paste the wrong bit I think, what I meant was you will be arriving at the corner quicker with more power, assuming the chassis is the same you need to scrub off more speed to get round the corner.

I know what I meant----lol

The GT4 calipers are far from a bolt on job....

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/kb.php?mode=article&k=84

They are off an ST205 GT4 WRC btw.
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Post by jonb- »

I think a lot of people miss the point in big brake upgrades.

I run the stock calipers with carbotech pads on my trackcar and it's more braking power than i could ever need and they're nigh on impossible to fade, however they just don't have the feel of say a 6pot porsche setup.

I'm sticking with carbotechs as i can live without the modulation capabilities on trackdays, however if i was a serious competitor i'd rip the entire system out and start again with a balance box, dual master cylinders and as big calipers as i can fit.

Stock calipers weigh a ton too!
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I use these, AP 4 pot with 330mm Disks.... :twisted:

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Adam J wrote:I use these, AP 4 pot with 330mm Disks.... :twisted:

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Nice set up Adam. How about the rears? Same?
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