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johnnymr2

profec b spec 2 settings

Post by johnnymr2 »

hi iv posted this b4 and didnt really get any answers :cry: iv just fitted this ebc to my mk2 and was wondering what the settings should b?? the other half has thrown the instructions away :-& so im stuck. its totally std apart from havin a boost cut limiter. i want to run about 1b any help would b cool, cheers guy :D :D
MATTGT4

profec

Post by MATTGT4 »

Hi mate i had same problem as your having,

for 15psi try - set (knob) 40% - gain 20 - set gain 20

this gives around 1 bar it seems to fluctuate quite alot,

Hope this helps

Matt
iainh99
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Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by iainh99 »

You can get the instructions off of www.Greddy.com in the tech section.
MR2lover

Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by MR2lover »

Tuning Profec B

Definitions and things you need to know before you start:

SET This is how you set the boost pressure. Rather than setting it in psi or kPa, the Greddy unit allows you to adjust it as a percentage value, from 0% (greddy unit essentially turned off) to 100% (greddy unit will set the boost as high as it can). This setup demands a certain amount of trial-and-error to properly configure it since you have to make adjustments, then drive under WOT (Wide Open Throttle) and see what the maximum boost pressure achieved was throughout the entire RPM range. SET SHOULD BE SET TO A CONSERVATIVE VALUE WHEN BEGINNING TO TUNE YOUR GREDDY UNIT. 30% SEEMS TO BE A CONSERVATIVE SETTING BASED ON MY TESTING AND BASED ON OTHER REPORTED NUMBERS FROM EVO OWNERS AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE LINK BETWEEN SET AND GAIN (see GAIN below).

GAIN is defined in the manual as the value to adjust the "boost consistency". You don't really need to know exactly what that means. You should set GAIN to 0 when beginning, and you will then test the car under WOT while paying attention to the boost pressure. If the boost goes up and then falls off at higher RPM, you will want to increase the GAIN by a conservative amount (5% should be relatively conservative to begin with, then when you want to fine-tune it, you can go down to intervals of 1%). When you increase the GAIN value, the corresponding boost that you will go up to will be higher even if you leave the SET value alone. GAIN SHOULD BE SET TO 0 WHEN BEGINNING TO TUNE YOUR GREDDY UNIT.

START BOOST (also known as SET GAIN because that is what is displayed on the unit when adjusting this setting) is the lowest boost that the Greddy unit will begin increasing the boost from under WOT. You want this to be as close to the SET value as possible, since you want to keep as close to your desired boost as possible. However, setting it too close to the SET value will cause the boost to spike. You should set this to a conservative setting when beginning to tune your Greddy unit. Then you can fine-tune it later to get it as close to the SET value as possible without causing the boost to spike. Fortunately, you can set this in psi or kPa, thankfully Greddy didn't decide to let this be adjustable in % like the SET value. START BOOST SHOULD BE SET TO YOUR DESIRED BOOST PRESSURE MINUS 4 PSI (about 28 kPa).

WARNING is the maximum boost that you do not want to exceed. Fortunately, you can also set this in psi or kPa like the START BOOST value. When the boost exceeds the WARNING level, it will kick in the LIMITER, which decreases the boost a certain amount that you can set. WARNING SHOULD BE SET TO YOUR DESIRED BOOST PRESSURE PLUS 1 PSI (about 7 kPa).

LIMITER is the boost percentage that the Greddy unit will lower to when the WARNING boost pressure is hit. LIMITER SHOULD BE SET TO YOUR SET VALUE MINUS 4%.

PEAK is the peak boost value that the unit has seen since the last time it was cleared. To clear it, go to the peak boost display, and hold down the set knob until the unit beeps and "---" is displayed. IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO CLEAR THIS BEFORE YOU BEGIN JUST IN CASE YOUR UNIT HAS A HIGH BOOST ALREADY RECORDED.

LAST BOOST shows you the last boost that was recorded every time the accelerator is released for 3 seconds. TURN LAST BOOST ON BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD DIAGNOSTIC TOOL WHEN TUNING YOUR UNIT.

Keep in mind that when displaying in kPa, it does not show it technically in kPa, but rather misleadingly in bars, which Greddy inconveniently tries to justify by sticking x100 kPa next to the display. Therefore, 100 kPa will be displayed as 1.00 x100 kPa. Psi will also unfortunately be displayed in psi x10 so that 19 psi will show as 190, adding to the confusion.

Another very important thing to keep in mind is that when you first power on your car or the Greddy unit, WARNING will be set to 14.5 psi (100kPa, or 1 bar) until you interact with the Greddy unit by pressing any button. This "feature" is not documented in the manual.

Also keep in mind that atmospheric conditions affect the operation of your boost controller. When it is hot, you will get different results than when it is cold. One possible way of solving this issue is tuning your Greddy unit under the "Lo" mode for when it is relatively cold, and under the "High" mode for when it is relatively hot. Unfortunately, two modes are hardly enough for somebody that needs to account for very different summer and winter climates, and also for more aggressive settings for when increased performance is desired.

The maximum boost that you will see is also not consistent throughout the gears, which adds even more to the confusion. Unfortunately, if you've already increased your start boost to the maximum setting that doesn't give you surging, then there seems to be no way to get around this variance in boost pressure from low to high gears. I don't know if this is a limitation of the greddy unit specifically, or if it's something inherent to electronic boost controllers in general. The only two things that you can do to compensate is the following:

1. Set it to the "safest" of the settings that does not trip your limiter. To do this, tune the unit to your desired boost pressure in fifth gear.

2. Tune the "Lo" and "Hi" settings corresponding to having the boost maximized during the low gears and during the high gears. This would require you to manually hit the button to switch to the "Hi" setting when you shift to third gear or whatever you started tuning your "Hi" setting at. This is why Greddy makes the wireless remote switch that straps to your steering wheel to switch between "Hi" and "Lo" settings.



The following steps should be taken in exactly this order, taking into consideration all of the previous information:
1. Change boost pressure units to psi if so desired (see manual).
2. Set WARNING to your desired boost pressure plus 1 psi (about 7 kPa) (see above).
3. Set START BOOST (SET GAIN) to your desired boost pressure minus 4 psi (about 28 kPa)(see above).
4. Clear PEAK boost value (see above).
5. Set LAST BOOST to ON (see above).
6. Set GAIN to 0 (see above).
7. Set SET to 30% (see above).
8. Set LIMITER to SET minus 4% (26% if you followed #7).
9. Test for boost falloff at high rpm. You should probably do this in a wide open area with no other cars nearby and preferably no cops. It is also good to have somebody in the car with you that can watch the gauge while you concentrate on not wrecking your car. If there is no boost falloff, then go to #10. If there is boost falloff, then increase the GAIN by 5% and test again. Keep in mind that when you increase the GAIN value, the corresponding boost that you will go up to will be higher even if you leave the SET value alone. Repeat until the boost pressure does not decrease, or until you feel surging. If you feel surging and the boost pressure still decreases (not sure if this is possible) then decrease to the last level that you did not feel surging at.
10. Increase SET by 2% and adjust LIMITER accordingly, then test again. Keep increasing by 2% until desired boost level is obtained.
11. Increase START BOOST (SET GAIN) by 1 increment and test until surging is felt or the WARNING level is hit and the display turns red, then decrease to the previous setting.

Once you have followed these steps, you will have roughly tuned your unit. To fine-tune it, repeat steps 9 and 10 except this time only increase or decrease by 1 increment.
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Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by jimGTS »

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so, bascially its not possible to hit the same psi in all gears unless you change from low to hi whilst changing gear at the same time (lol)..........
:-k
:-s
MR2lover

Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by MR2lover »

The reason it recommends to do that with the high and low settings. is because in lower gears the revs rise faster hence so does boost, So some turbos don't have enough time to gain full boost. hence why some people cant hit 15 psi in 1st gear. but if you increase the gain and set boost in the lo settings you will be able too but then if you went it to the higher gears with the same settings you would get lots of spikes and creep hence why changing to hi settings.

Stupid way around it, i just copied most of the instrustions of a skyline site.

With my hybrid tho i hit then same boost all gears. in Lo settings.

HTH lol
jimGTS
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Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by jimGTS »

why is that??
cause its a hybrid? or tuning??

are mbcs the same as this, ie, not enough time to react esp. in 1st gear, so you dont get full boost.....

ive bought a profec spec 2, wona fit it when i get new insurence (with sky hopefully) next month.........

so im not gona get full boost in all gears unless the turbo is lagger than stock (?)........
MR2lover

Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by MR2lover »

Im not really that sure jim, but mine isn't really that much laggier.

Yes Mbc are the same as this but it will only be down a couple of PSI with a MBC or a EBC. All depends also on conditon of turbo if VSV is disconnected etc

YES Jimbo you will be able to hit full boost in all gears but you just adjust the SET start and turn up the gain, Then to stop you over boosting in the higher gears you just set the limiter to what you wanna boost too, bring it to essex rolling road day buddy and i fit it and tune it for you buddy
jimGTS
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Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by jimGTS »

tar dude, i got no worries fitting it, that parts easy, its just the tuning "on the road", lol.
shouldnt be to hard to work out, ebc is pretty simple i here. thanks tho.
not 100% sure what im doing at RR yet, may just spectate instead.....if i magically get my fueling a bit better, we'll see, if not, ill just watch, convoys pretty cool.......
MR2lover

Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by MR2lover »

Well while im waiting for my turn on rollers, we can go out and tune your profec B. 8) .

:mrgreen:
jimGTS
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Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by jimGTS »

if all is well and good, and ive fitted it......
mainly wanted to wait until i renew insurence.....just incase. :cry:
johnnymr2

Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by johnnymr2 »

just taken the tubby out 4 its 1st proper run and had the settings as SET 40%, Gain 20%, SET GAIN 20%. i was making around 0.85b which is well up \:D/ but was looking for 1.0b. as i was running 0.55b with the ebc off what should i adjust? i would trial and error but its wet, i have nobody with me, and i have to go to work soon. do i just turn the SET up because i tried this and didnt really notice that much of an increase?? should i also increase the GAIN??
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Re: profec b spec 2 settings

Post by Hurstie1981 »

I have just installed mine today, and really struggling to set it up.
I managed to hit 149 = 14.9 psi with the set at 30, but it was tailing off around 5k rpm. Im trying to tinker with it but not having much luck.
Its really frustrating!
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