[Mk2] [Turbo] Apexi FC possible alternatives?

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androo007
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[Mk2] [Turbo] Apexi FC possible alternatives?

Post by androo007 »

Hi all,

On the hunt for a rev 3 AFC & commander.... but nothing seems available this minute. Just wondered what my alternatives are that won't bump fitting & mapping through the roof?

Rev 3 forged
Td06 kit
800cc injectors.

If it can handle WI mapping even better.

Thanks
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Apexi FC possible alternatives?

Post by 2mad »

androo007 wrote:Hi all,

On the hunt for a rev 3 AFC & commander.... but nothing seems available this minute. Just wondered what my alternatives are that won't bump fitting & mapping through the roof?

Rev 3 forged
Td06 kit
800cc injectors.

If it can handle WI mapping even better.

Thanks



Tried n tested upgrade ... post this in wanted , check ebay ... gts chris did have some ...good luck with your endeavors.

Kev.
Odin_S
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Post by Odin_S »

Well... I'll say my Link G4 is a much better alternative to PFC. Once you find someone who can map them properly. This was my biggest hurdle, now I'm over it and the car is mapped with WI and behaves like OEM day to day.

There is a Motec on sale, Fensport are the boss with them.
androo007
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Post by androo007 »

Yeah I saw that, 1600!!!! But too much for me.... lol

I hear 2 for sale just waiting for people to read their messages! If anyone hears of APFC please let me know.

Cheers
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Post by markstevieandmads »

Im interested in the adaptronic ECU that grazzy sells.

Self learning and apparently quite easy to tune yourself.
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Post by mr2magic »

Pfc...good lord why always cheap out on the most important part?

Nevertheless....megssquirt or ECUMaster are way cheaper than other ECUs and are way more evolved than the stoneage pfc
androo007
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Post by androo007 »

Well it's plug and play with a HU display for 500-600 quid and proved to work well for 10 years +.

That said I'm always open to hearing new things
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Post by ashley »

Link
Motec
Syvecs


In your budget...Link all the way, PFC is a total waste of money these days, the only reason people buy them is cos the car forums won't admit how old hat they are and constantly inflate their prices- I'd agree it was a good option if priced accordingly (say £200'ish)...you could build a better ECU yourself these days for very little cash :whistle:
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Post by androo007 »

The Link system interests me, who are good recommended mappers and installers for this?

Cheers
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Post by Odin_S »

Source and buy the Link G4+ Storm, I have the none "+" and it does everything plus lots of options i don't need.

Fury, Storm and Xtreme are the 3 different ones with Fury being the cheapest.
Fensport mapped mine, they have just recently added Link to the ECU they map.

Do your research on which one will suit you :thumleft:
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Post by androo007 »

Who did you buy the ecu from chap? Was it pnp?
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Post by C35Rob »

ashley wrote:Link
Motec
Syvecs


In your budget...Link all the way, PFC is a total waste of money these days, the only reason people buy them is cos the car forums won't admit how old hat they are and constantly inflate their prices- I'd agree it was a good option if priced accordingly (say £200'ish)...you could build a better ECU yourself these days for very little cash :whistle:


shots fired! :lol:

they absolutely are old hat, super basic, very feature limited (feature-less really) etc.. but - and it's the big but that keeps people buying them, they're plug and play, everyone maps them, they work and they've done a job on plenty of half decent power builds for a long time that's what makes them keep their price. Plenty of people don't have the time/money/inclination/technical ability/need/whatever to go with something 'better' and just want to follow a tried and tested route to enjoy their road car without having to have the newest/best/most expensive kit available.

Carburettors are old hat, plenty of serious machines still use them too.

that said...

https://www.diyautotune.com/product/meg ... ica-3sgte/

is interesting for the money.. or if you do have the ability (as ashley alluded to) you can buy a kit and build it yourself even cheaper
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craig
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Apexi FC possible alternatives?

Post by craig »

Agree with Rob. PFCs are old hat, but that's no reason to rule them out.

They're plug and play, widely mapped. That's the reason they hold their price. Sure there's better ecus out there, but depends what you want.

My car is running forged Pistons, refurbished CT20b turbo. Apexi power FC. Mapped by Ryan at 2 bar tuning at 1.2 bar. Putting out 306bhp and pulls like a train.

Nothing wrong with the PFC in my opinion.
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Post by Odin_S »

androo007 wrote:Who did you buy the ecu from chap? Was it pnp?


I was actually lucky and bought it of an owner on here.

Link G4 was made 2009, they then upgraded it in 2012 and then again last year. hence the "+"
The first G4s came with a 2.5bar map sensor, G4+ came with 3bar map as standard.

So me only having the first G4 had to upgrade my map sensor from a 2.5 to 4bar £80 IIRC. This way i can boost past 1.5bar of boost

The bulk of the ecu remains the same

There is a 3S-GTE loom you can buy, mine came with it. However i asked Fensport to make up a loom for me as i added a 4 bar map sensor and the WI was wired in too
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Post by androo007 »

This above is why the fc is still a strong contender for me.

I have a member here who is selling one in a few weeks so hoping to go with that. May still look at Link though
ashley
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Post by ashley »

With so many complaints over cracked blocks, and suspected bad tunes being part of the mix...I just don't understand why you wouldn't do everything you can to try and avoid stressing your engine, and in my mind- that means using a decent computer to control it. Sure PFC has been around for ever, but is it really "proven", or could it's technology and lack of precision be one of the contributing factors to 3S blocks cracking?

I'm not saying it is, and I agree- it is a successful, plug and play solution...but in my opinion it is ridiculously over priced, mainly because so many people keep insisting they are the be all and end all...confirmation bias at work perhaps?!

One thing is for sure, I wouldn't spend £k's building a decent engine, only to fall for the false economy of using one to save maybe £400 over something like a Link...especially if you factor in that the PFC is probably double the price it should be anyway!

If you can't afford a new Link, keep an eye out second hand...hell you even see second hand M400's for ~£1k...bargain compared to forking out £600 for a PFC :lol: :lol: :lol:

All IMO of course :thumleft:
craig
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Apexi FC possible alternatives?

Post by craig »

For info, my block cracked on the stock ecu. NOT a power FC.
ashley
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Apexi FC possible alternatives?

Post by ashley »

Mine cracked using a PFC...I remember two or three separate mapping/ tuning experts at the time (including Ryan) telling me to bin it and get a decent ECU :lol:
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Apexi FC possible alternatives?

Post by jimGTS »

Consider just running stock ecu with the td06? + 540s

Save yourself the hassle of a standalone and finding mappers.

Least until you 'can' find the ecu your looking for.
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Apexi FC possible alternatives?

Post by Odin_S »

What i was told was the Link can process many more things at once than the PFC. This allows for more power with the same modifications amongst other benefits.

Buy once and buy right, so you won't be disappointed
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