(UPDATED with new vid) Can anyone please help with this noise?

[N9THX]

This was it when i had it delivered the first time, obviously not sounding good, so i rejected it and the supplier took it back.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-mAPdES2U4

These videos are after the supplier replaced the manifold, turbo, cat which he said were causing the probs in the first vid, still sounds the same if not worse.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmIzZ_fOIa8

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJNPjA0-JFM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q97YU2SnyFc
This was GTSCHRIS interpretation of the vid.
"We installed a known good CT26 turbo with Toyota gaskets along with a standard cast exhaust manifold and a primary cat from our inventory. When we started the car, there was no nasty noises, no blue smoke, and carried out a 40 mile road test which resulted in zero oil consumption."
Think you can see about a litre of oil in the air right there!

Any ideas what kind of problem would cause this sound?
Also any recommendations on a good company who does independent engine inspections as i need one doing as the supplier is refusing any calls or help.
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[g.lewarne]

valve clearanes way out? kicked a shim?

its certainly very very noisy and doesnt sound right at all. In fact it sounds remarkably like my old 1.3 skoda felicia when the timing chain was stretched

[Dale_V]

You should goto Peter Gidden @ S-Bits and let him inspect the whole lot, IME he will give you a totally unbiased examination

few questions as its not clear:

1) when the engine was installed and initially started up, what did it sound like?
2) I understand lewis Jay fitted it, what did he initially think to the engine sound?

The first video to me sounds 75% exhaust blow and 25% tappety/rattling,
the second video pretty much sounds like full on 100% rattling of the top end.

Even if your ct26 hybrid turbo was blowing, obviously it would sound crap, but thats all it would do. You need to give that turbo to an independant to confirm the condition of the unit. However even still if the turbo seals had gone, you would have had to let the oil level get real low to create lack of oil pressure problems leading to oil starvation thus scored journals, unless there was debris in the turbo from your old engine, but upon installation this should have been checked out!? was it checked?

[N9THX]

I questioned the noise at (mechanics) house when i went to collect the first time plus there was a loose engine mount so he kept it as i wasn't happy and delivered it after fixing the mount.
When he dropped it at my house it was the same, he said to speak to (supplier) as he's supplied the engine. He didn't have much faith in it if he wrote (engine supplied by customer) on the receipt.
(mechanic) sourced the engine and told me where it was and to call (supplier) but had me pay for it seperately as he didn't want any hassle if there were probs with the block. Good move by him considering, although technically the engine was sourced by (mechanic) and supplied by (supplier)
The engine when assembled was given a full engine flush by (mechanic) so there would be no debris in the turbo. I'm sending the turbo off for inspection as it was boosting fine and smooth with no smoke before the swap.
Due to me being so concerned with the noise from day one i've treated the engine with kid gloves and checked everything after every short journey, it actually went from full to above low on one 30mile drive.
I'm now borrowing cars from family when possible as a long journey would just be out of the question.

[Dale_V]

Well if the engine was sounding like that on initial start up and was definatley flushed prior to firing up, and the noises were noticed by lewis Jay & yourself, then obviously it has nothing what so ever to do with your turbo given that the other option other than contamination would be blown seals which would take time to burn oil then create low oil>lack of oil pressure>scoring...

What I would do though is stop driving the car completely!

[N9THX]

Easier said than done if you only have one car at the minute.
Where i can i'm borrowing my fathers car and my father in laws. (in my father in laws Rover 75 now )
The engine that was supplied is basically worn, smokey and noisy but driveable if needed.
Keep topping up the oil after every use if needed and not using boost.
The whole point i've used people like the ones i have was due to recommendations as the reliability of the car is important to me.

[alanmr2turbo]

sound like an manifold blowing but engine sounds naff. Glad it ain't mine LOL

Take it to mrTwos in willenhall he will be able to tell you whats wrong with it

[jasongtr]

Easier said than done if you only have one car at the minute.
Where i can i'm borrowing my fathers car and my father in laws. (in my father in laws Rover 75 now )
The engine that was supplied is basically worn, smokey and noisy but driveable if needed.
Keep topping up the oil after every use if needed and not using boost.
The whole point i've used people like the ones i have was due to recommendations as the reliability of the car is important to me.

so you are questioning a bad engine that was sold to you and taking the suppier to court yet you are still driving the car? i appreciate that it might be your only car but surely whatever is wrong with it will only get worse - then how will the court look at that?

just playing devils advocate really

[Dale_V]

Easier said than done if you only have one car at the minute.
Where i can i'm borrowing my fathers car and my father in laws. (in my father in laws Rover 75 now )
The engine that was supplied is basically worn, smokey and noisy but driveable if needed.
Keep topping up the oil after every use if needed and not using boost.
The whole point i've used people like the ones i have was due to recommendations as the reliability of the car is important to me.

so you are questioning a bad engine that was sold to you and taking the suppier to court yet you are still driving the car? i appreciate that it might be your only car but surely whatever is wrong with it will only get worse - then how will the court look at that?

just playing devils advocate really

gotta say +1 here, knowingly driving with an engine that is knocking is bad, but driving a car thats knocking which is in dispute and could potentially goto court is asking for trouble, in court they could potentially ask how you have driven a car to which the engine was supposedly in poor condition, they could state that as it was driven, well it was fit for use?!

Also at present it may just be the head journals/cams that are fu****, if you keep on driving it swarf from the head could end up down the bores, meaning the block is then screwed... also down the oilways through to the crank and also turbo, meaning what was a possible fixable engine is now completely toast!

[swaggansway]

I never flush engines any more.. I used stp once... followed instructions to the word! I got 5 miles down the road and a big end went! trouble is it loosened up all the muck inside and distributed it around all the bearings!
get a good solisitor who specialised in the industry and take him to crown court if u have a case..... if not I can sell ya a new head etc. sounds like u have learnt the hard way. trouble is most ppl don't give a xxxx if it ain't there car, they just get the job done as quick as p1$$ for a quick buck. the above mentioned tried to sell me a ropy old block and it backfired on him! he didn't realise who I was lol... gtschris is reasonable tho! try to be diplomatic with him am sure he will help u sort this amicably

[jasongtr]

blown the case if you ask me, but i aint no judge

[swaggansway]

personaly I wouldn't bother with court... its not like its a new merc or anything!

[R6 RIDER]

N9thx im not sure if you have read my previous posts before it was moved to a differant place , but ive already said if it goes to court will be probably thrown out due to lack of evidence to to indight him, at the mo its just your word v his word , he can say i deliverd the engine and when i did it was running fine and you could say no it wasnt etc , it aint about what you know but what you can prove , even if you where to bring your fully working order turbo to the court , chris could just say that isnt the turbo of which i retested the car with etc.

i also said if i may , with the money you forked out for the engine transplant you could of rebuilt your own engine with all new original 3sgte parts ( assuming already you already had a 3sgte in the beggining ) as you wanted a low milleage good nick engine , if you had yours rebuilt you would of practicaly had a new engine and peace of mind to go with it , finding a low milleage engine of this calibre is rare and hard to come by , from that i mean because you can never be 100% the clocks havent been turned or anything you can never be 100% sure , in any case i wissh you two guys the best luck in resolving all of this , but if where you now i would accept ive been had and start doing your contingency plan , as no matter who wins in the court the engine is still gonna be the same as now , so i would start drawing up what you wanna do next , check if it can be rebuilt and rebuild with all new parts or lookfor another but this time see the car and hear it running , kind regards R6 rider

[swaggansway]

that makes total sence! look if I can help I will let ya have a head for 50(half price) caws I know how it hurts! get the valves lapped in and pop it on. get some acl main and big bearings (bout 10O) check ya thrust on crank and way ya go.... I wood also check ya bores while ya at it....oh and make sure the small ends n crank r ok! me and many others will walk ya through it! I got a vectra u can borrow while u do the work. don't see it as a problem but as a chalange
it's all good....what happened to ya old moata BTW?

[N9THX]

Thanks guys.
GTSCHRIS has already stated the engine is beyond economic repair in his email so no argument there, driving it any more can't make it any worse.

In the same email he also said there were no noises, smoke etc when i went to collect it from it from him on Thursday and at the end of the email said it was damaged beyond economic repair, so he's either schizo or full of b******t.

Either way it's my daily drive and i like my job, my wife works with me so that's two salaries. If i need to use it i'll have to. I have my father in laws car until Friday then i'll have to scrounge off someone else as i just can't trust this engine.

[swaggansway]

can u not get a refund for the engine? how much was it?

[N9THX]

Also in reply to one comment above.
I have a receipt with the turbo serial number from fitting 14months ago.
So it's the same one.

Also the evidence is video footage of the noise and smoke from delivery, plus video of the engine after GTSCHRIS meddled with it. Can't really argue they both sound like a bag of nails.

It used oil after delivery, it uses oil after GTSCHRIS has said it doesn't and replaced the offending parts. I'll take the judge for a spin!!
It was noisy on collection, it's noisy after GTSCHRIS meddled with it, yet he says the noise and smoke were caused by the manifold and turbo on delivery and the engine and engine damage after he says i've destroyed it.

[jasongtr]

isnt this thread just getting like the other one where the moderator moved it to the trader section and deleted all the other comments - :-

i thought this one started like it was supposed to - getting some impartial advice but yet again its turned into a slagging off the company thread

[N9THX]

I'm just posting vids for advice, trying not to mention names on here anymore as it only causes moans.

Engine cost £800 inc delivery
Paid Lewis £1200 for fitting, used gearbox, clutch and timing belt.

Used about £30 in oil, travelled 200 miles to collect and 2x200 miles back.

Its cost £157 for the court costs.

If only he'd just supply a decent low mileage used engine there'd be none of this.
The offer of him replacing the engine at his works is always open, just not forking out any more money for what i've already paid for.

[swaggansway]

u been fitted up m8... engine is only worth bout 300 n same for fitting, max! it only takes a day... he id charging 150 a n hour

I would deffo take to court, get ya self to cab asap!

sounds like he fitted a diff engine than one u here running m8... pm on way