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aw11rally
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Rally Car

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The AW11 now has a Lotus Exige C64 gearbox bolted to the carbed 4AGE. Lotus/Toyota hybrid driveshafts are fitted, quaife ATB is in, linkage is connected and working, AP concentric clutch slave and helix 4 paddle clutch are plumbed and functional. Starter motor is knackered, car wont start......first test drive tonight with new starter motor. I can not wait, only been 9months in the making (and about £2100 total cost).

I will write up some kind of blog, with pictures as soon as it is all working and I can relax. First rally of the season 5th and 6th Feb in Blackpool.
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Sounds like a useful conversion :thumleft:

( hoping to get along to see the rally next week, maybe even get to scrutineering for a closer look at the cars, especially yours :thumleft: )
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Scrutineering is going to be at the conference centre within the Norbreck Castle Hotel. They are making a big thing of it this year, there will be trade stands and commentary, spectators are actively encouraged.

Initial tests (on axle stands, and driving back and forth in the garage) are looking very very promising. 80mph (on the speedo) at 4000rpm in 6th. Looks like the final drive may be even shorter than we had calculated. Should be jsut coming on cam at 100mph in 6th. Previously we were hitting 105/110 in 3rd on long straights (with c52).

I will put a quick vid on youtube, excuse the over excitement but we have been working on this conversion for months and months and months, many times it has been close to getting canned.
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Don't you mean, "Six Speed Mk1 conversion. Are there any others in the UK?"
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d Grammor polise!! tnx 4 d corection. lol
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Tis not a grammor (sic) correction, mon brave. There is a 6 speed Mk1 in the UK. Ours. Tee Hee.
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Re: Rally Car

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aw11rally and myself co-own a Mk1 MR2 tarmac rally car. Last year was our first season of competition and we were plagued with broken driver's side driveshafts and, as a knock on effect, bellhousings. We had major problems selecting gears when the car was being driven at 100%. It didn't want to go into 2nd gear on upshifts and was also obstructive on downshifts from 3rd to 2nd and 2nd to 1st. The gear selection problem cost us lots of time on stages. It also became obvious after a few events that the gearing was too long. 3.722 seems to be the lowest Toyota final drive available for the C50/C52 transmission.

For these reasons we started looking at alternative transmissions and realised that now Lotus are fitting the Toyota 2ZZ-GE engine to the Elise & Exige, we might be able to use the associated 6 speed C64 transmission and the stronger Lotus driveshafts on our car. The C64 is a closer ratio box and has a 4.529 final drive ratio.

We have fitted the C64 with a Corolla C52 bellhousing to match up with the bolt pattern on the engine block (we'd broken all the spare MR2 bellhousings we had). The driveshafts are hybridised Exige. Lotus inner CVs & the Lotus driveshafts have been turned down and re-splined on their outer ends to fit the AW11 outer CVs. The driveshafts are standard (Lotus) length. The AP racing concentric clutch slave cylinder was necessary because the standard clutch fork fouled on the Lotus gear selectors. The C64 bolts up to all the standard MR2 gearbox mounts, which is nice.

The gear selector is Exige, cut down & with new mounts to fit in the standard MR2 mounting holes. The gear lever has been shortened, as in the Exige/Elise the selector bolts to the floor. In the MR2 the standard length gearstick ends up almost level with the top of the steering wheel. We also removed the Reverse gear lockout mechanism as it was preventing selection of 1st & 2nd. This won't be a problem, as with the shortened gearstick you have to be He-Man to push the lever over against the spring to select reverse.

We had the car out for it's first test run Saturday teatime and I don't think either of us have stopped grinning yet! The 4AGE in our car is on twin Weber 45 DCOEs and it only starts to make power over 3000rpm, then tails off around 7500rpm. With the six speed box & shorter final drive it comes on the cams much quicker, doesn't bog down and now goes like it should have done all along. The gearshift is nice and smooth, with a very short throw.

Quick calculation gives a total cost of between £2100 - £2200, but the Quaife ATB was £630 and the AP clutch slave £248 of that. If anyone suggests that a Saab 900 concentric clutch slave will fit, it doesn't. We tried that.
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I'm sorry but I need to say something

:ttiwwp:


Really interested if you could get some pics up please :mrgreen:
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The team. Cogboy up front with legs spread, Aw11rally by drivers side with silly hat, Ste Landen co-driver and expert fabricator at passenger door with fag.

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The car, testing brakes before last years NWS rally. They turned out to be AMAZING when we got them working (i am sure cogboy will explain at some point, he is an artist with copper pipe)

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Passenger side hybrid drive shaft

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Drivers side hybrid drive shaft and bracket

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View from above, not much to see, shift cables enter the engine bay and bend round to meet the box from the rear. A lovely bracket was made (in cogboys living room) to mount the Exige cables to the C52 bell, all looks very factory.

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A view of the cut down Exige shifter, modified to bolt to the standard MR2 mounting points. A lovely piece of kit.

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As above.

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AP concentric clutch slave, machined down slightly. This mounts on a custom plate which replaces the input shaft shroud / CRB mount on the standard C52.

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Making the mounting plate for the AP slave, started with 5mm mild steel but was then replaced by a very trick stainless item with M6 nuts Tig'd onto the back.

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The C64 with C52 bell and AP slave mounted.

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First test run, up on axle stands in a mates garage. 4000rpm in 6th approx 80mph. Since the vid we have tested the speedo against GPS and it is, suprisingly, very very accurate.
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More pics from cogboy

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Checking bellhousing for size.

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Exige shifter prior to modification. Simply sat it on the tunnel, as you can see it was a bit too long.

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Fitting the modified shifter, still at full length. The shaft was cut removing about 60mm, drilled and tapped for an M6 stud, screwed back together then Mig welded. It will not brake, not even with full speed cogboy shifts (he got that name for a reason, and it isn't because he is kind to cogs, quite the opposite).

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DONE!

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The Lotus shafts next to an MR2 long shaft. Lotus outer cv's were removed, shafts turned down and re-splined to fit toyota outers. Using the lotus shafts also gave us a bit of extra length to cure our bellhouse smashing problems.

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Bracket to support the two piece drivers side drive shaft inner cv. Knocked up one afternoon in cogboys front garden using an angle grinder and a tobacco tin. Unfortunately cogboys Mustang now has a fleck of rust over the rear quarter....oops.

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Bracket cut down, zinc primed and mounted in place on the block. Precision engineering at its best. Grinder and tobacco tin method got us within 1 or 2 mm! There is the added advantage that the inner cv is no longer above / touching the exhaust.

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Plumbing for AP concentric slave. When finished the pipes were covered in black heat shrink and bolted to the original slave bracket. All looks very standard.


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The biggest chunk of the budget (not that there was one) went on the ATB LSD, it cost more than the gearbox!
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Re: Rally Car

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Top work :thumleft:

I'm loving the adjustable bottom links.
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front setup is even better!
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Seriously impressive chaps!
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Cheers Toni. I've just been having a look at your car in the 'garage', also seriously impressive.

We are running GRP front wings and bonnet but would like more. Where did you source the engine cover and boot?

Also, where are the top mounts from?

We have eccentric roller bearing jobbies on the front which have a bit of play in them and could do with replacing, as could the rears which are not adjustable. Camber adjustable top mounts would be a lot easier for setting up the geo.
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aw11rally wrote:We are running GRP front wings and bonnet but would like more. Where did you source the engine cover and boot?


Nik Farmer from twobrutal makes some body panels under the Zombie Wings' banner ( http://www.zombiewings.com/ ). I also saw this fibreglass bootlid recently on ebay ) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT ) - the same seller also makes front&rear bumpers.
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Re: Rally Car

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This might be of some useful info for some of you.

http://www.marcmedina.com/6speed.html
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Re: Rally Car

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LoSt GhoSt wrote:This might be of some useful info for some of you.

http://www.marcmedina.com/6speed.html


Cheers GhoSt. That is where we got some inspiration from. We decided a very low mileage C64 would be a lot better bet than a C160, gear ratios are better to.
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aw11rally wrote:Cheers Toni. I've just been having a look at your car in the 'garage', also seriously impressive.

We are running GRP front wings and bonnet but would like more. Where did you source the engine cover and boot?

Also, where are the top mounts from?

We have eccentric roller bearing jobbies on the front which have a bit of play in them and could do with replacing, as could the rears which are not adjustable. Camber adjustable top mounts would be a lot easier for setting up the geo.


I got my engine cover and boot from a chap in the states, unfortunately don't think he trades anymore. But I hear the Zombie stuff is useful.

Top mounts you can get from a japanese parts importer like newera I should think. But they weren't cheap!

You've done an excellent conversion there, only thing I've looked at in the past is a Quaife sequential, and they wanted £7K out of me for that.
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Nik Farmer

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I did speak to Nik at ZombieWings some time ago, he agreed to make a GRP/Kevlar bonnet, boot and engine cover. Left it a few weeks, heard nothing and couldn't get in touch with him.

He did say he was busy moving house or something so I wasn't really too bothered.

I've just fired off an e-mail to him, hopefully we will get some nice light panels this time, and I do fancy a carbon bonnet, boot and engine cover on my Mk1.5. Fingers crossed.
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Plenty of carbon bonnets on ebay USA!
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