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... you win a car on ebay due to a last minute bid retraction??

Just been informed of winnign a 77k mk1 for the princely sum of £1500, even though I've just bought a snot green CRX as a stop gap in a hurry,as I had been outbid for the mk1. :(

Anyone want a car!! :D
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I would send an email explaing the story as you've told us I think.
Hopefully you won't be in too much strife.

Ideally, you know, you shouldn't have a CRX over a MK1 :wink:

linky to your new buy?
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I know which one you mean.
Although I recently got an exellent sub 60k mile one, that one looked really good and I gave it a go up to £1000 but then forgot about it until I got a notification earlier today.

I see that 2 bids were retracted at £1650 and £1600... makes you wonder if it wasn't a setup by the sellers friends... but anyway... unfortunately a bid is a bid on ebay

on the other hand, sellers can't leave neutral or neg feedback these days although they can still file non paying bidder claims

anyway, I'll give you £1250 for it :D
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mr2mk1chick wrote:I would send an email explaing the story as you've told us I think.
Hopefully you won't be in too much strife.

Ideally, you know, you shouldn't have a CRX over a MK1 :wink:

linky to your new buy?


I know Jo - a couple of weeks ago I was trying to buy an SC so advertised my mk1 and it sold in three days, then the SC wasn't available anymore hence the CRX - 2-seater, bulletproof engines, no rust issues made it very easy to buy online and collect. Pity the engines in the wrong place - keep lifting the boot expecting to see a 4age :D

I know which one you mean.
Although I recently got an exellent sub 60k mile one, that one looked really good and I gave it a go up to £1000 but then forgot about it until I got a notification earlier today.

I see that 2 bids were retracted at £1650 and £1600... makes you wonder if it wasn't a setup by the sellers friends... but anyway... unfortunately a bid is a bid on ebay

on the other hand, sellers can't leave neutral or neg feedback these days although they can still file non paying bidder claims

anyway, I'll give you £1250 for it


Yeah - it looks like shill bidding to me, and have contacted the vendor explaining my purchase after being outbid (I really thoguht it would have gone for more), and that its not wanted. Wow never thought I'd say that :shock:
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its actually not bad sounding with only 2 previous owners and full history, long MOT etc. only concern is clutch replaced already but still...

I also expected it to go for more... seems like a real bargain if everything written is correct
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HT wrote:... you win a car on ebay due to a last minute bid retraction??

Just been informed of winnign a 77k mk1 for the princely sum of £1500, even though I've just bought a snot green CRX as a stop gap in a hurry,as I had been outbid for the mk1. :(

Anyone want a car!! :D



if you won because of a retraction then who's to say that it's not one off the sellers mates, tbh, just send a message to the buyer about what has happened and then complain to ebay about there procedures, easy :wink:
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Hi,

Assuming it's that red Mk1 Tbar and if you don't want it, just tell the owner so.

I was also watching that one but dislike the private listing auctions simply because it's so open to fraud and I decided not to bid in the end.

And this looks very much like schill bidding to me - both bids cancelled in the last couple of minutes of the auction, the last one cancelled with only 8 seconds to go ? oh come on, who's going to leave it so late to realise they don't want the car ?

Personally I'd say you don't want it and mention you are complaining to Ebay about the bidding. If 2 others have retracted their bids, and he's agreed (it says mutual agreement) then he won't mind if yours is retracted as well. And you'll hear no more about it.
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b2hbm wrote:Hi,

Assuming it's that red Mk1 Tbar and if you don't want it, just tell the owner so.

I was also watching that one but dislike the private listing auctions simply because it's so open to fraud and I decided not to bid in the end.

And this looks very much like schill bidding to me - both bids cancelled in the last couple of minutes of the auction, the last one cancelled with only 8 seconds to go ? oh come on, who's going to leave it so late to realise they don't want the car ?

Personally I'd say you don't want it and mention you are complaining to Ebay about the bidding. If 2 others have retracted their bids, and he's agreed (it says mutual agreement) then he won't mind if yours is retracted as well. And you'll hear no more about it.


if you really do now not fancy it, then don't buy it
it does seem like "shill" bidding going on of course you winning bid is what you decided it was worth
back to the thread of a few weeks ago, this is the reason I will not deal with private auctions
if the seller gets a bit upset then tell him you have reported shill bidding to Ebay
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Main points:

- Rules are rules, sure but three mins to go the vendor says he has accepted the reasons for cancellation as 'unforeseen circumstances'. The item had a cancellation 3 days before - this morning I have just received the last cancellation notice.

- Now reading the listing further I think he is a motor dealer, he certainly doesn't appear to have actually run the car himself. The auction description is very generalised or in the third person.

- Worse then that an unregistered private trader, who wants his fees back - hence I have reported him for suspected shill bidding. Its interesting that we all have to rely on ebay as the identities aren't disclosed.

I'm not sure I would have great reliance on the description given due to his behaviour after the auction ended. Also its 77k its hardly low mileage this its just as old as the rest of them. I think the description is a tad upbeat, unlike my own recent sale via classified ads on fleabay which consisted of a couple of paragraphs and not all the generalised flim-flam, and guff most traders tend to use (I can it the arthur daley syndrome). :D

All I do know is on saturday when the buyer for my mk1 collected despite itbucketing it down, and me trying everything to put him off it wass sold without issue :(
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caveat emptor!!
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On the otherhand if a buyer enters a bid of £1500 then that is the price they are prepared to pay for the car regardless of wether someone else bids it up or not.....i dont see what the problem is? You wanted to pay £1500 for it and you won?

Shill bidding is a fact of ebay life,it will always go on,thats what the maximum bid option is for... so you never pay more than you wanted to regardless of who bids.Its also very hard on the seller if he has had two genuine bid retractions and now the winning bidder doesnt want it.

If you bid you buy in my book (unless the item is not as described),if you didn't want to buy at that price then why did you enter it in the first place?
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caveat emptor!!


quite. :wink:
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PW@Woodsport wrote:On the otherhand if a buyer enters a bid of £1500 then that is the price they are prepared to pay for the car regardless of wether someone else bids it up or not.....i dont see what the problem is? You wanted to pay £1500 for it and you won?

Shill bidding is a fact of ebay life,it will always go on,thats what the maximum bid option is for... so you never pay more than you wanted to regardless of who bids.Its also very hard on the seller if he has had two genuine bid retractions and now the winning bidder doesnt want it.

If you bid you buy in my book (unless the item is not as described),if you didn't want to buy at that price then why did you enter it in the first place?


Read the rest of the thread Paul.
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kevin..in wrote:
it does seem like "shill" bidding going on of course your winning bid is what you decided it was worth


PW@Woodsport wrote:On the otherhand if a buyer enters a bid of £1500 then that is the price they are prepared to pay for the car regardless of wether someone else bids it up or not.....i dont see what the problem is? You wanted to pay £1500 for it and you won?


on this point we seem to agree

but I would dissagree that buyers have to accept that shill bidding is a fact of "ebay" life
the more fuss that is made of it to ebay eventually they will have to act
in the meantime though stay away from private listings :thumleft:
bloody hell just remembered Paul will be after your cat :lol: :lol:
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Read the rest of the thread Paul.


I did.

You bid,you won.....don't see a problem,you are paying what you wanted to pay regardless of how it got to that price.

Yeah kevin i agree shill bidding is totally wrong,but i think its impossible to stop it happening,i think its always going to happen so in my opinion its best to accept it goes on and just stick to your highest bid as ulitmately that's what you are prepared to pay.
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PW@Woodsport wrote:
Read the rest of the thread Paul.


I did.

You bid,you won.....don't see a problem,you are paying what you wanted to pay regardless of how it got to that price.

Yeah kevin i agree shill bidding is totally wrong,but i think its impossible to stop it happening,i think its always going to happen so in my opinion its best to accept it goes on and just stick to your highest bid as ulitmately that's what you are prepared to pay.


yes, but it is best to stay away from private listings
if you went to view a car in the dark with the seller hiding behind a hedge, you would rightly be called an idiot!!
yet people regularly do just that on ebay #-o
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PW@Woodsport wrote:On the otherhand if a buyer enters a bid of £1500 then that is the price they are prepared to pay for the car regardless of wether someone else bids it up or not.....i dont see what the problem is? You wanted to pay £1500 for it and you won?

Shill bidding is a fact of ebay life,it will always go on,thats what the maximum bid option is for... so you never pay more than you wanted to regardless of who bids.Its also very hard on the seller if he has had two genuine bid retractions and now the winning bidder doesnt want it.

If you bid you buy in my book (unless the item is not as described),if you didn't want to buy at that price then why did you enter it in the first place?


I'm torn on this one, because Paul is right that your max bid should be what you think it's worth and I do believe in honouring my bids. And if the seller is honest, then it is hard on them. But of course he still has the car and can re-list it for free with a non-paying bidder. And looking at the auction bids there is one other bid at £1500 as well - so he can make a second chance offer there, can't he ?

BUT - shill bidding is dishonest, and I'm with HT on this one. If you look at the bidding it jumped from just over £1100 to £1500, which makes me wonder if the previous £1500 bid is also a shill bid. I have good reason to want to see this practice stopped by Ebay, and they CAN do so, it's not difficult for them.

I bid on a Ford Puma in May which turned out to have not only shill bidding against me, but also had outstanding finance owing on the car. Until I did the HPI I was prepared to buy the car because I considered that despite the bidding it was a fair price (£2050, V reg puma).

However the seller wanted even more and tried to pressurise me into paying more by claiming they had accepted a higher "private bid" just before the auction closed. However once I confronted them with the HPI report it ended up with them ringing me up the next day and offering me "compensation" to go away. (which I refused, but I did accept the cost of the HPI) This week the same seller re-listed the car and I had emails from 2 prospective bidders asking why I didn't buy the car in May. I told them the tale and we all watched as the auction went exactly the same way - but this time instead of £2050 I bid it only went for £1391.... and the seller won it.....

Well done HT for reporting it. I only wish I had done the same in May.
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b2hbm wrote: This week the same seller re-listed the car and I had emails from 2 prospective bidders asking why I didn't buy the car in May. I told them the tale and we all watched as the auction went exactly the same way - but this time instead of £2050 I bid it only went for £1391.... and the seller won it.....

Well done HT for reporting it. I only wish I had done the same in May.

of course if you had been registered as a private bidder then this sort of communication via what ebay laughingly call "the community" could not take place and unsuspecting buyers get duped into buying dodgy lots
well done you for passing on what you knew about this car :clap:
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I always belived the way ebay should act is....
if you say have a current bid of £1100 but your max is £1500 and someone comes in and bids £1500+ and retracts thier bid it should automatically default back to the £1100. Effectivly ignoring that the retacted bid ever happend.

As such its never gonna happen that way as it cuts down on the fee's ebay can claim off the seller. Yes its not right but there is absolutly Jack you can really do about it.

I've been in the same situation and paid the max bid of mine purely cos I wanted the item.

Everyone has a valid point to all they are saying but ebay control the result unfortunatly.
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I still say bid what you are prepared to pay then it doesnt matter how it gets to that price.You aren't being ripped off if you set your max and leave it at that.
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