MR2 Turbo VS Honda Integra Type R???

[SW20Paul]

This is certainly an interesting topic. But people always seem to under estimate the na. Its a very good car.

Oh I agree I loved my old rev1 N/A and sometimes wish I still had it.

Mind you saying that If I had a choice between an MR2 N/A and a type R I'd have to pick the Integra.

[nakamura]

This is certainly an interesting topic. But people always seem to under estimate the na. Its a very good car.

Oh I agree I loved my old rev1 N/A and sometimes wish I still had it.

Mind you saying that If I had a choice between an MR2 N/A and a type R I'd have to pick the Integra.

Im not sure. I love the setup of the mr2, and tbars rule!

[SW20Paul]

This is certainly an interesting topic. But people always seem to under estimate the na. Its a very good car.

Oh I agree I loved my old rev1 N/A and sometimes wish I still had it.

Mind you saying that If I had a choice between an MR2 N/A and a type R I'd have to pick the Integra.

Im not sure. I love the setup of the mr2, and tbars rule!

I'll half agree with you on that

Love the MR2 probably why i'm on number 7 now,

But dont like T-Bars prefer the tintops

imo you would have to spend alot more money on another car to get the same enjoyment/Performance as you get with a 2.

Maybe I'd get rid for a lotus elise or a noble

[nakamura]

Oh I agree I loved my old rev1 N/A and sometimes wish I still had it.

Mind you saying that If I had a choice between an MR2 N/A and a type R I'd have to pick the Integra.

Im not sure. I love the setup of the mr2, and tbars rule!

I'll half agree with you on that

Love the MR2 probably why i'm on number 7 now,

But dont like T-Bars prefer the tintops

imo you would have to spend alot more money on another car to get the same enjoyment/Performance as you get with a 2.

Maybe I'd get rid for a lotus elise or a noble

Now yr talking Paul.

[C50]

Power to weight ratio..

I'm a honda fan just because of the technology. It's NA and look at that power. Also with fwd you can chuck it around more in the corners. With me VTEC is economy and power.

Hehe.. the power of dreams.

[eRATic]

its funny that most of the NA's you compare to the Integra are decatted against the std Integra times. the decat is worth about 10hp on an integra guess it is the same on a 2 but it allows the car to rev quicker. guess its worth .3 sec 0-60.

easy to knock a sec off a 0-60 time but difficult to get the last little bit out of it. be interesting to see what an NA will do with a different manifold, decat and zorst and ecu mods. Pumps and Integra up to 211hp.

funny how this post started off with a guy in a tubby comparing it to a Teg and has ended up in an NA/Teg slanging match. All 3 cars have their advantages/disadvantages and given the weather today i know which one i would want to be in.

[nakamura]

Yes but a decatted NA is stock from factory for early revs in japan. And i dont see where any of the slagging is. Its merely a comparison, we have all said how awesome the DC2 is but you are the one making a deal out of it. In fact i havent once stated i think the MR2 is better.

[Speedy]

http://www.blinkmotorsport.com/cgi-bin/site.pl?honda

BLiNK Motorsport specialises in providing Honda engine conversions for the Lotus Elise (S1 and S2), Lotus Exige and Lotus 340R.

The Honda conversion utilises the Honda Civic Type-R engine to provide over 220bhp with the Honda six speed, close ratio gearbox.

There are also options available for supercharging, giving around 300bhp and loads of torque.

[stiggy]

http://www.blinkmotorsport.com/cgi-bin/site.pl?honda

BLiNK Motorsport specialises in providing Honda engine conversions for the Lotus Elise (S1 and S2), Lotus Exige and Lotus 340R.

The Honda conversion utilises the Honda Civic Type-R engine to provide over 220bhp with the Honda six speed, close ratio gearbox.

There are also options available for supercharging, giving around 300bhp and loads of torque.

What they dont tell you though is that the Honda lump is a LOT heavier than the VVC they take out, much better to tune the VVC to 200bhp instead.

[Lauren]

What they dont tell you though is that the Honda lump is a LOT heavier than the VVC they take out, much better to tune the VVC to 200bhp instead.

It may be heavier but it is reliable. A 200bhp k-series is not. Ever heard of the VHPD?

I've driven K20A engined elises extensively, in fact i used to help out with the conversions. Total weight for Jonny's S1 eRise was 768Kgs. So not too heavy, not really.

[nakamura]

What they dont tell you though is that the Honda lump is a LOT heavier than the VVC they take out, much better to tune the VVC to 200bhp instead.

It may be heavier but it is reliable. A 200bhp k-series is not. Ever heard of the VHPD?

I've driven K20A engined elises extensively, in fact i used to help out with the conversions. Total weight for Jonny's S1 eRise was 768Kgs. So not too heavy, not really.

I agree Lauren, i would love to drive a K20A powered elise. Imagine the Vtech!!!!





oh u dont have too!!

[MR2UK]

What they dont tell you though is that the Honda lump is a LOT heavier than the VVC they take out, much better to tune the VVC to 200bhp instead.

It may be heavier but it is reliable. A 200bhp k-series is not. Ever heard of the VHPD?

I've driven K20A engined elises extensively, in fact i used to help out with the conversions. Total weight for Jonny's S1 eRise was 768Kgs. So not too heavy, not really.

I agree Lauren, i would love to drive a K20A powered elise. Imagine the Vtech!!!!





oh u dont have too!!

i tried imagining it, and this is what happened:

[Munnsy]

very good

[Slarty]

It may be heavier but it is reliable. A 200bhp k-series is not.

I think a certain Dave Walker might possibly dissagree with you there.

He was tuning the k back in the early days of S1 Elises/MGF's, but hey, it's a long time ago now, google his name and see what comes up.

However, I do know that mearly in stating this instance, I am instantly wrong because Lauren is right.

[C50]

delete!

[shibby!]

The k Series is a good engine!

It was desinged to be light, and it is. its a good wee engine.

Weak head gasket, well that can be replaced with a strong one anyway, so i dont see the problem.



honda engines? Well noone can argue that they are good. Heavy? didnt know that.

It would seem the K series was a good fit in the Elise being it is light etc.


So how heavy is the Toyota compared to them?

nick

[luthor1]

as usual with everything like this, it's a matter of pressure and time. If you ran a 1.8 k series to 3000rpm only and half throttle, it'd never break. when you start pushing it, what breaks first? ...change it? then what breaks next? ...change that.

That's what we do on the tubbies isn't it? Forgies at 350bhp, rods at 400bhp etc.

No difference here. K series needs pistons for 170 and above, and throw a steel HG in there at the same time, high power oil pump and you're away.

200bhp is not ridiculous in a K-series, it's a 1.8 after all so easier than 4AGE. It'll rev to the require 8400rpm with the minor internals upgrades. As said above - Dave Walker is the man. http://www.dvapower.co.uk

[mark239]

better engine than a k-series and integra engine?

Easy - pug/citroen Mi16/D6C

Sounds better than both, 160bhp standard from a 1.9 with NO fancy valve timing, 300bhp a realistic possibility.

200 or thereabouts bhp on TB's and management.

I've 5 of the buggers.

Good article here:

http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/pug16v.htm

Heres an untidy pic of the latest one pre-tidy up



200hp, 1905cc and STILL no fancy valve timing, and it isnt going to blow up easily. Loads more to come yet.

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[stiggy]

The k Series is a good engine!

It was desinged to be light, and it is. its a good wee engine.

Weak head gasket, well that can be replaced with a strong one anyway, so i dont see the problem.



honda engines? Well noone can argue that they are good. Heavy? didnt know that.

It would seem the K series was a good fit in the Elise being it is light etc.


So how heavy is the Toyota compared to them?

nick

From what I remember (and I could be wrong) the S2000 is actually a fairly light engine anyway, its just that the K-Series is pretty much the lightest ever production engine, by quite a margin.

Not sure on toyota's, but its not as relevant with 400bhp!

[shibby!]

Agree on the Mi16 engines

They were nice engines, and when you put them in the 205, WHAT A DIFFERENCE!

They are actually quite high revving engines too! With no fancy xxxx on them.

Nick