4A-GZE how hard to find and on the wallet

[NDR008]

Hey are these hard to find and expensive to get?
What about the later AE9x AE1xx generation 4A-GZEs?

[crazybrightman]

see ther or sale section theres one going at the mo! the later ones seem a sod to find ive been looking for a while admitedly only half hartedly but as time goes by i could do with one if i want to get any more trackdays in this year. the later engines are better imho, or at least they are on paper.

[NDR008]

Yeah, then again the black top is also much better on paper.

Thing is even knowing that there might be a slightly better head, or block annoys me... Hehe when I had my 4E-FTE, I ended up swapping heads, turbos, etc, to get the combination of bits that where on paper better lol, looking back on it, I think it was all money down the drain compared to the benefits of the FMIC, HKS actuator, etc... but still... lol, thinking with the heart lol

Hmmm I am torn between aiming for a black top or gze.
I am loving the NA feel, but I miss the sense of boost. The AW11 chassis design was not orignally intended for the heavier GZE at the back... then again you could easily counter that with suspension setup so... hmmmmmm ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

[crazybrightman]

the 4agze isnt that much heavier, the gearbox is thought. blacktops are silly money, but it makes more sense to buy a levin 20v have the engine and loom out of it, sell the rest and scrap the shell for £100.
get yourself onto the two brutal forum if you havn't already been there as there will be an engine conversion to meet your desires.

[WeirdNeville]

looking at the figures for blacktops I don't think they're a cost effective option. They claim 165bhp but rarely make more than 145bhp. So thats probably well over a grand for the engine alone to make a meagre 20bhp over standard. Apparently the black tops don't even tune that well (without silly money) and if you're looking to tune the NA engines further the Silvertop is the one to have, as it has a stronger bottom end.

Having mulled over the options for 6 months, If I were to go for more powah! it would be 4Agze or nothing at all.

[NDR008]

See, it is not the raw power I am after... I want a nice reving engine, that is why the 20v keeps pulling me. I also heard that the 4A-GE silver/black can do some amazing stuff with a retune, and no accessories on the engine pulley (except the alternator and water pump)....

Hmmmm still don't know, I think I need to sit in one of each to decide.

[crazybrightman]

how about a 4agte? theres going to be a few about soon by the look of things that will give you a nice revvy motor and a good 80% more power than your standard n/a lump.

[NDR008]

I'm not very pro charging an NA engine. + I still have a turbo car, so would like something different. (Though I still love turbos.)

[kaiowas]

see ther or sale section theres one going at the mo!

It's in my garage now, should hopefully be in the back of our sprint car in time for next season

[Mk1Chris]

I'm not very pro charging an NA engine.

Although you can turbo the NA block, i believe crazybrightman is refering to a 4agze engine with the supercharger removed and replaced by a turbo.

Like I have fitted to my car

[Lauren]

See, it is not the raw power I am after... I want a nice reving engine, that is why the 20v keeps pulling me. I also heard that the 4A-GE silver/black can do some amazing stuff with a retune, and no accessories on the engine pulley (except the alternator and water pump)....

Hmmmm still don't know, I think I need to sit in one of each to decide.

I think ditching the VVTi is the way to go and put lairier cams in to exploit the top end breathing. Also raise the rev limit.

[Tony jinxy froude]

I believe Paul Woods also has a full setup 4agze for sale inc everything you need to transplant it straight into an N/A

[Flat Pack]

I think ditching the VVTi is the way to go and put lairier cams in to exploit the top end breathing. Also raise the rev limit.

Tuning the 20vs is all about cams really. Either that or sticking rotrex superchargers on them, but that's silly expensive.

[MartG]

I'd love to see what a 20V SC engine would produce - though given the 3 inlet valves are designed to improve NA breathing which isn't such a big factor in a forced induction engine then the gains probably wouldn't be massive compared to a stock 16V GZE

20V 7A-GZE anyone

( if you've not heard of the 7A-GE/GZE, basically you take the bottom end of a 7A-FE out of a Corolla or Celica and drop the GE/GZE head on it, resulting in a 1800cc version of the 4A-GE )

[cartledge_uk]

I'd love to see what a 20V SC engine would produce - though given the 3 inlet valves are designed to improve NA breathing which isn't such a big factor in a forced induction engine then the gains probably wouldn't be massive compared to a stock 16V GZE

20V 7A-GZE anyone

( if you've not heard of the 7A-GE/GZE, basically you take the bottom end of a 7A-FE out of a Corolla or Celica and drop the GE/GZE head on it, resulting in a 1800cc version of the 4A-GE )

I still read the article on the 4agte in south africa that runs 11sec 1/4 with full interior and in jo'burg so high above sea level, and want it so much

[PW@Woodsport]

I have both a complete 4agze and a 20v blacktop both sitting at the garage if anyones interested.

[WeirdNeville]

I'd love to see what a 20V SC engine would produce - though given the 3 inlet valves are designed to improve NA breathing which isn't such a big factor in a forced induction engine then the gains probably wouldn't be massive compared to a stock 16V GZE

Raw Engineering Use the 20V engines in their Supercharged Kit Car engine packages. They quote 220Bhp for £4999 and 280Bhp packages for "Price on Asking".
That's with a Rotrax Charger rather than a Roots one. Pricey!

[crazybrightman]

I have both a complete 4agze and a 20v blacktop both sitting at the garage if anyones interested.

is that out of an mr2 or a levin? (the gze)

[PW@Woodsport]

mr2

EDIT: its a complete engine/gearbox package with LSD.