Any artists out there ?

[CazAW11]

Hey, I'm a bit handy with the old graphic design side of things and would be happy to help should you decide you'd like a flyer. I had an illustration in MR2 Only a few months back so could use this again.

I'm still a bit sore after seeing a MK1 identical to mine in the work's car park - noticed it had an MR2 Driver's Club sticker so stuck a really nice note under the wipers with my name and email but alas the owner didn't get in touch... Was very tempted to polish mine to the hilt and park next to it one morning but decided against it...

[SySanguinary]

I don't wish to be negative but i for one would not want to join a club. I get all i need from this forum.

Surely you would want to at least contribute to the running of IMOC if you get what you need from it. After all it still needs paying for by it's members.

A club cannot survive by people alone. It still needs to pay it's way.



Edited due to beer being spilt on my keyboard (again ) and certain keys not working properly!

[widster]

And that should read not instead of noy! Need to remember to preview my posts!

Or perhaps use the edit button

Didn't know anything about an edit button

[HT]

I'm not suggesting that we just advertise the Mk1 Club, we can also let people know about IMOC, so a joint flyer would help all of us.
I enjoy being a member of the Mk1 Club but appreciate that a lot of people are happy just being online.
What i can't understand, is what is the problem with advertising our clubs?
If the person that gets a flyer is not interested, they throw it away but you might get someone that hasn't heard of us before

Its probably a minority that have no access to a PC these days. Most if they have a need for somethign just google it - seems a lot of resources could be wasted for that one who hasn't heard of the club by now.

[crazylegs]

i was not suggesting any resource by expended except a little time from the members. my idea was something we could all download if we wished and distributed ourselves. just members doing a little to support the mk1 club.
i personally like to attend a few shows, some dont and this is fine, but i dont see any events happening without the local regional clubs. if it was just the internet then no one would meet at an organised event. i see no fun in lining up at halford or wherever with nothing going on just for the sake of it. its the club that provides the public face at events. maybe its not important to everyone. but i believe part of the popularity of the cars is due to this public presence.
classic mk1 have a look at the south east mk1 club calendar. steve, pete or alan can correct me but i dont think we have ever held a meet at hemel. all ours are in ... the SE. I am probably the furthest away that i know of.

[classic mk1]

IMOC events, quote, Monthly S/E meet Hemel Hempstead. Cant seem to find the S/E Mk1 club calender.

[crazylegs]

Ah thats why. I will send you a list (if i can ) of the SE mk1 clubs events. theres a good one coming up soon at the hampshire pageant. well worth a drive out for the day, or camping for the weekend.

[russthedude]

I don't see what there is to lose by someone knocking up a graphic that we can all download and then print off. you'll get 4 A6 "flyers" out of one sheet of paper, print a page, cut em up and keep em in the glove box. It won't cost the club or imoc anything (if nobody offers to knock up the art work I'll do it, or get a guy at work to do it actually), and then it is up to members if they are willing to print one off for the cause

[monkeymax]

Due to current lack of time I'm going to have to make this a short post...
I'm pretty sure that something along these lines came up last year, and some people commented they didn't like the idea of strangers lifting up their windscreen wipers and putting bits of paper under them!
I also vaguely remember putting together such a flyer thing on the computer... It may have all just been for IMOC, but even if that's the case, it wouldn't take much for me to edit it and add the Mk1 Club logo (I've got all the necessary files from the Calendar I did last year).
When (if) I get home tonight, I'll search the hard drives and post it up. If I remember correctly, it included a line for the person who left it to write who they were so that the potential new club member could get in direct contact with them as well...

It's also worth bearing in mind that many people choose not to become members. As much as that may be a shame, there are still enough Mk1s around that not everyone owning them will be an enthusiast and rather they just view the car as a cheap two seater sports car. I was chatting to someone here on campus this time last year who had just bought a red T-bar... had a long chat to him about it, gave him a little advice... he was doing some mods to the ICE, and seeing as he's an apprentice mechanic on the aircraft here, definitely capable with a spanner. But he had no interest at all in coming to any meets, or getting involved. His choice really. Then 4 months later, he'd sold the car on...

So, yes - it's a sad fact but not everyone that owns the car gets enthused enough to join an owners club for it. And even then, some that do have no interest at all in meets. Their choice really. However, I will concede that there's probably still a number of owners out there who would be interested, but just don't know about the owners clubs. For them the flyers may be beneficial. But then you have to ask, if they don't want to make a bit of effort to find the clubs (it's now very easy to find the clubs thanks to Google), then will they want to get involved?


Okay, maybe that reply wasn't as quick as it should've been...!

[Sharpfish]

The biggest threat to MK1 owners joining clubs and meeting or even being interested in continued use of mr2 forums is obvious:



RUST



It's certainly what stopped me in my tracks from going to any meets since the last one I attended way back in 2002 I think (South Wales MK1/SC meet up just off the M4). After that 3 years of driving around the midlands (my home county) busy busy busy, just as I get some spare time again for such things the car goes SORN with rapidly spreading tinworm. And the amount of them being scrapped now doesn't bode well for the future.

However, I don't personally feel it's that big a deal as long as those eventual few thousand/hundred of mk1 owners who have restored cars can still meet up at classic car shows and on forums/the net, it's not really lost.

I think Toyota should do the decent thing and restore all remaining good mk1s to better than factory condition so that we can keep one of very few cars they ever made that was worth getting excited about, around for a very long time to remind people that Mr T does have it in them to do something interesting from time to time. Looks like Honda is going more for that these days (CR-Z, new Concept etc), and Nissan is going for the performance... we'll see how the rumoured new Supra turns out....

sorry for OT part at the end there, just thinking (dreaming) out loud.

[monkeymax]

Well, thought I'd had a go at something and a quick hard drive search shows I did, but I don't think I spent too long on it...:


Though the rear can be printed on as well if you so wished.
If someone was expecting something different, let me know as I could probably make the changes fairly easily...

-Max

[crazylegs]

yep thats the sort of thing but with a nice big web address and joining detail. maybe a space to put local area reps email.

[mr2mk1chick]

I don't wish to be negative but i for one would not want to join a club. I get all i need from this forum. I was in the Mk12 club for a while but i didn't feel it was value for money. This forum is free and is 10 times as useful. You can also arrange to meet people informally if you want the face to face contact. I think the whole idea of clubs is now slightly antiquated with the presence of the 'virtual' club on the internet.

Please remember that the MK1 section on here 'is' the MR2 MK1 Club , hosted by our affiliation with IMOC, and moderated by MR2 MK1 club peeps, and me as the 'official' MK1 club committee presence.

The club joining fee, as with the imoc premuim member fee, goes towards puttign of stuff at events such as JAE, NEC, Silverstone classic, restoration show, as well as improving the profile at shows with our club gazebos, flags etc.
your money also goes towards local events such as BBQ's at show and meets.
Also it goes towards the magazine and other promotional stuff - and yes it was agreed that a flyer could be paid for by the club and distributed by area organisers etc and available to download for members to use. It never got finished, but we do have a design waiting to go ahead - I will ask Garick to dig it out again.

[crazylegs]

thanks jo , i just think a downloadable one is fine. no outlay needed. its then down to individuals to decide if they want to use it or not. this way we all get the same design.
i have to agree with you it seems people have forgotten this is the mk1 club section.

[John R]

I think I’ve still got one of the ‘old’ club card flyers in the Mk1, it was really an application form printed on card. A downloadable one you could print off at home would be a great addition. If it could be customized to include the local meets and contact details of the person applying it (in my opinion) would be handy.

[/ramble]
As Wayne said, a percentage will only come along to meets for info on repairs, or to show off a new acquisition. But I could usually spot the info gathers and help them the best I could. However, do you remember your first club meet? Were you nervous about showing off your P&J to seasoned members in their concourse condition Mk1’s?

Please remember that the MK1 section on here 'is' the MR2 MK1 Club

I did have mixed feelings about ‘aligning’ with IMOC, but I feel the web has changed how clubs operate. The R/C plane club I’m a member of no longer has organized ‘official meetings’ due to a forum; however they only allow posting (and viewing) to paid up members. This seems to work very well. However I think people still want to join (and be a member of) a club, otherwise meets wouldn’t happen.

I do get frustrated in the policy of not allowing Mk1 events to be posted on the Mk1 club page, the event page here seems to be little referred to by members I’ve chatted to about IMOC. I was getting about 50% of new meeting attendees who didn’t know of IMOC or this section, but were visiting the Mk1 club website and seeing the regional meeting section first. I noticed a few ‘older’ owners mentioned that they ‘didn’t do forums’.

Indeed, and as I've found recently, car clubs are pretty low down peoples lists of priorities when it comes there overall life.

I’ve had some pretty big changes going on in my career, and this is has meant me giving up my co-ordinators role, which I was sad about. But like Wayne said it’s all about priorities.

I hope to be on the Mk1 Club pitch at Tatton Park next weekend (shameless plug ) which will be only the second time the Mk1 has been out of the garage year

john

[Karl_T]

i have to agree with you it seems people have forgotten this is the mk1 club section.

In name only, essentially is a Mk1 section of IMOC. By creating it we've given IMOC a stronger Mk1 community. Bit of an own goal in some ways for the Mk1 Club as an individual entity.

I still think the best way to ensure the survival of the club, if that's what we're after, is to keep the how to's password protected. I've heard the argument that the info gets out anyway, but it'd still help. Many other car clubs do it.

This forum regularly provides technical help to non Mk1 Club members, jolly nice of us, but why join the club?
I think if we kept the self help guides for the members then membership would pay for the gazebo's flags etc etc often used by the enthusiasts who tend to be the ones writing the guides and contributing to the mag.

Karl_T

[Karl_T]

BTW am in favour of flyers though.

I've had to resort to sticking email address and short messages on backs of receipts etc when I've spotted a nice 2 in town.

Got some extra folk along to shows and meets too, but one did turn out to be a MR2DC member though.

Would definately keep some flyers in my car.

Karl_T

[HT]

i have to agree with you it seems people have forgotten this is the mk1 club section.

In name only, essentially is a Mk1 section of IMOC. By creating it we've given IMOC a stronger Mk1 community. Bit of an own goal in some ways for the Mk1 Club as an individual entity.

I still think the best way to ensure the survival of the club, if that's what we're after, is to keep the how to's password protected. I've heard the argument that the info gets out anyway, but it'd still help. Many other car clubs do it.

This forum regularly provides technical help to non Mk1 Club members, jolly nice of us, but why join the club?
I think if we kept the self help guides for the members then membership would pay for the gazebo's flags etc etc often used by the enthusiasts who tend to be the ones writing the guides and contributing to the mag.

Karl_T

I would guess most of the info has escape by now - and in fairness some of the info out there has been written prior to this forum, for the good of all mk1 owners. The main benefit of a club is to the regular individuals who go to meets & attend shows. Tbh raising the profile of the club is hardly likely to see more mk1 suddenly appear, esp as many of the individuals who regularly attend have there own agenda which seems to go against the survival of a marque (e.g. too many self-invented specialists breaking them!).

[mr2mk1chick]

@ Max: Great effort - but the logo is red and black, not red and blue (Thx )

I'd prefer an A6 size with generic info on the front, and regional area info and joining info on reverse maybe.
Also i would prefer not to have the IMOC logo on it at all, as the MK1 forum on here can be found via our website link. We want to boost our own identity. We should just have the forum address maybe
When the website finally gets overhauled it will be better

[midenginedmaniac]

To get more interestin the club it needs to be a fun place to be.

I have been pi$$ed off several times but red tape and politics.

It should be a drivers club designed to encourage others to help each other.

I can't post pictures of my car anymore as it has my company logo on it and I am not a trader FFS.

Take a lesson from this club.

http://www.harley-davidson-hangout.com/ ... rians.html

I am hog maniac.