[Mk2] [Turbo] Had an accident this morning :-( I'm gutted.

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Rahzel
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[Mk2] [Turbo] Had an accident this morning :-( I'm gutted.

Post by Rahzel »

I'm gutted :-( My 1st ever accident :-(

Going to work this morning some idiot in a tranny van deciedes to make a go for it, pulls out onto a round about just as i'm about to exit and i hit him. I tried to stop and swerve out the way but i just couldn't and the wheels skidded due to it piddling down.

He started to drive off but i followed him and he pulled over and we swapped details.

heres the damage

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And the Tranny

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My bonnet, Bumper, popup and lights are knackered. just getting it all sorted through the insurance. Just hope it doesn't drag out
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Had an accident this morning :-( I'm gutted.

Post by Munnsy »

cant beleiev another one, you must be gutted mate, still could of been worse,, did he admit liability or where do you stand?? :cry:
Rahzel
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Had an accident this morning :-( I'm gutted.

Post by Rahzel »

he didn't admit liabilty. Said someone flashed him out!!???

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heres how it happened.

I'm the blue and he's the red. he's pulled out of hallens Drive as i'm heading for the exit straight over.

I'm glad no one was injured but i'm gutted this has happened. only had the car since beginning of november :-(
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Had an accident this morning :-( I'm gutted.

Post by jonboy2199 »

Gutted mate, just a good job on-one was hurt.

Hmmm doesn't the law state ... give way to your right at a round about (words to that affect)? Flashing is regardless its still on him to ensure it is safe to pull out. I don't think you'll have a problem with the insurance. :thumleft:
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Post by Munnsy »

take it you obviously wasnt speeding etc then so looking at the setup on your map he in theory should be liable, as we all know you give way to your right.
As for only having it since november you must feel pretty crap then, but at the same time gives you an excuse to buy some aftermarket bits :thumleft:
theres always something good that comes out of something bad lol
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Post by michael »

It doesn't really matter if God flashed him out - he pulled out when it was your right of way, should be relatively easy to sort through the insurance company :)

Hoep you get it all sorted to your satisfaction with minimal hassle.
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Post by Munnsy »

Also look on the bright side cos it looks a pretty simple fix, all cosmetic stuff mate, and im sure guys on here would be willing to help out if they could, i certainly would, if theres anything you may need??
Keep us posted with the insurance anyway :mrgreen:
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Had an accident this morning :-( I'm gutted.

Post by Rahzel »

I think the fact it was wet didn't help matters. i would of stopped if it was dry i reckon. Was doing no more than 30 as i hate roundabouts in the wet so i'm always very cautious with speed.

Thanks for the offer munnsy, nice to know theres help if i need it even if i am a noobie :mrgreen: I've rang the insurance and they are dealing with it now. Got a hire car coming tomorrow so i should be able to get to work and back which is the main thing.

Yeah it looks mostly cosmetic. Hopefully will get fixed without too much trouble.
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Post by RichardK »

Well...

The good news is, it looks fixable.

The bad news is, you've hit him behind the B-pillar. Which at least in cars is interpreted as hitting the rear of the car. However, I'd argue that the rear of a van starts at the axle, not the doors.

Good work getting pictures and good luck getting it sorted!

Edit: Oh, and don't tell them you'd have stopped if it was dry. Otherwise, "you'd have stopped if you were driving appropriately for the road conditions" ;) (I'm not saying this is the case, I'm saying that this is how they may interpret it. This is the sort of claim that used to be settled "knock-for-knock", but I've always told people to dispute that as it's a getout to avoid delays and costs in paying out by the firms).
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Post by Race Idiot »

Whoa, a green rev 3 with exactly the same wheels as mine. You have my twin car!

The white van driver is liable unless it was a roundabout with traffic lights and you were supposed to stop at them. Maybe he's going by the white van highway code where he has right of way no matter what.

Edit: So it still counts as him hitting the van, even if the van was in the wrong? Oh well, I guess I shouldnt comment as i'm probably wrong I guess.
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Post by RichardK »

Essentially where "rights of way" are concerned, you're also expected to be prepared for vehicles joining the carriageway/junction.

So, at a t-junction onto a fast A-road, if someone pulls out and you hit their front (b-pillar forwards), then they're pretty much automatically at fault - because they will have appeared to be stationary for a reasonable amount of time.

If you hit the rear of their car, then the assumption is that even if they were not fully out of the road, you should have seen them and prepared.

There's always a lot of arguing and conditions you can do and in these cases a lot of what happens is down to how good you are at preparing information/photographs/scientific stuff like length of skidmarks - and how much of a pain you can be to the insurance firm - but these are the basic assumptions they tend to work with.

Might not be right, but how many times have you had some dithering idiot pull onto a 60mph road in front of you and had to brake VERY hard to avoid hitting the back end? Logically they're doing something dangerous, but because you'd hit the back of their car then you're basically "in the wrong" - partly due to the tendency of people to be crap and lie, and say things like "I was just driving along and they rammed me".

One of my first rules of driving is that EVERYONE is utterly incompetent and I should presume that whatever the most retarded, illogical and downright dangerous option would be in any given situation is the one that they'll take[1]. It's why I give HGV drivers a wide berth - they keep proving me right!

[1] Myself included.
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Post by ryan »

A friend had a very similar thing happen to her. It took 2 yrs to sort out, ending up in court! Another woman pulled out in front of her on a roundabout. Should have been an easy case, but she lied and said she was coming from thre other direction!! Even though my friend had 2 independant witnesses! So she had to appear in court 8 months pregnant just to get justice!
Good luck, tranny man would do well to remember 'give way to the right at roundabouts'
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Post by RST »

I don't think the lights flashing bit has anything to do with it. In fact I was always told you flash your lights to show you're there and not to assume someone's giving way.

Bad luck mate, hope it all gets sorted.
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michael wrote:It doesn't really matter if God flashed him out - he pulled out when it was your right of way, should be relatively easy to sort through the insurance company :)

Hoep you get it all sorted to your satisfaction with minimal hassle.


Was going to say, just coz someone flashed him out doesn't make it 100% safe to do so.
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Post by RichardK »

If he says someone flashed him out as his "justification" to the insurance company, they'll laugh at him. If he said it to me, I'd hit him with the highway code (literally, I usually have one in the car somewhere) ;)
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Post by Martin F »

hope it gets sorted out quickly mate and with what your saying it should....did you have any witnesses or video evidence of him admitting that someone flashed him out... :-k


good luck anyway and im glad you weren't injured...
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Had an accident this morning :-( I'm gutted.

Post by RyanRs »

as mrtee sais, do you have any evidence?? or a witenss?? the reason he drove off, like most other people do, is to get away from people that could prove him to be at fault (and prehaps to get away all togeather, depends how silly they are)..

with no witnesses, he could tell his ins that you hit him in some other manor that makes you to blame.. in that case, the most claim you will get is a 50/50 settlement.. which means you will both pay for 1/2 the damage of each others car..

nether the less tho, it looks fixable, only a scratch compared to some!
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Post by JAP BOY »

Gd to see the motor is ok if anything i'd say the van came off worse though with that shunt!!! Gd luck with the repairs though!!! :)
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Post by Caribbean_Blue »

TBH I would have called the police if you suspected he tried to drive off.

If someone flashed etc doesn't mean jack-all. Flashing is legally used as a warning that your there rather than a 'free-to-go' signal - common misunderstanding.

Damage to your car looks perfectly repairable. Can see in the shots how wet it was. You must have done well in braking anyways.

Tidy amount of damage to his van. I'd say you/he has written it off!! LOL

Good luck with repair. :thumleft:
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Post by teccyjim »

RST wrote:I don't think the lights flashing bit has anything to do with it. In fact I was always told you flash your lights to show you're there and not to assume someone's giving way.

Bad luck mate, hope it all gets sorted.


Yep, it's to let other road users aware of your presence. Thats the law- however another road user interperates 'a flash' is their problem.

Found this: http://www.dadrl.org.uk/lawhiwaycode.html

I think you have the Tranny driver by the curlies!!!

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