Porsche Boxster drivers - bigger knobs than Beemer drivers?

[Aidy]

some subjective balance being "you could only afford an mr2 so STFU" oh thats very mature. thankyou, im impressed.

Touché.

Not all of us have large bank accounts and i believe, and think most people will agree, the mr2 is a very good "bang for buck" car

Ergo pretty much agreeing with my point.

A modern car does not always mean a better car. Look at rally cars, some of the older ones run circles round the new more modern cars.

"Better" is subjective. Modern cars tend to be heavier than older cars (safety regulations mainly) with all the problems that entails, but if a manufacturer doesn't improve their cars they're not doing a good job. By "rally cars" I assume you mean WRC…again getting back to regulations you can't compare one season's WRC with another as you're not comparing apples with apples. If you mean rally-inspired road cars then you're wrong, the modern rally cars are much better than the old ones.

"i'm the big man with the lancer."

I don't think it's quite like that. More like "I'm the big man with one of the country's most desirable performance cars".

Maybe if you didn't have your head so far up your own ar$e you could realise the points of the above comments.

Who has their head up their ars3? The man that admits there is good to be had in many cars, just different types of good….or the man who refuses to be budged from the idea that the current car he drives is the fastest and best on the road?

[Tiamat]

I think the only conclusion to this thread will ever be:

Its horses for courses.
One man's meat is another man's poison.
Its all down to your personal viewpoint.

At the end of the day, the MR2 is an extremely capable car.
Yes there are more capable cars out there.
Yes there are more expensive cars out there.

Whatever you drive, whether you think its better than someone elses car or they think theirs is better than yours.

As long as you enjoy driving yours. Does it matter?

I quite like the Evos and could afford one. But am happier with my other cars (plural) and my motorbike instead. Plus on a modern Evo its less likely that I will be able to work on it myself, which I actually enjoy doing with the MR2s. Its my choice.

[luthor1]

I think an important point that I may have failed to express is that I agree with Aidy that technology has moved on... and I embrace that..

On my car I have 2006 Bilstein Yellow gas pressurised shocks, new solid top mounts, the latest technology poly bushes, modern tyres using the latest tech, the newest developments in brake material and hosing technology. These things can be incorporated into my car providing the staggering upgrades for virtually no money at all - basically what amounts to the Sat-Nav and leather option on your Porsche Boxster!

The latest ECU tech is driving the engine power forwards, as is the latest forged machining technologies.

After all, my MR2 has the same front suspension as your beloved 911, MacPherson Struts, anti-roll bar...

Once you tighten up the suspension, the differences are the stiffness of the chassis (which modern cars are better at) and the arc the wheels scribe relative to the chassis during compression/decompression.

We all have the best shocks, tyre tech, braking material etc.

What the MR2 has is it weighs virtualyl nothing compared with other cars. It's 1260kg's which makes the 911 seem lardy, and the Boxster, and the later EVO's.

Food for thought.... essentially I am in agreement with Tiamats' last post. Horses for courses. I like spannering too, and I know my car inside out and back to front...

[Aidy]

On my car I have 2006 Bilstein Yellow gas pressurised shocks

Didn't bother getting decent suspension like Ohlins then? Plus you can't do much with the chassis setup.

modern tyres

What tyres you using?

the newest developments in brake material and hosing technologyp

But what pistons, callipers, disc technology and cooling are you using?

The latest ECU tech is driving the engine power forwards

What ECU are you using?

What the MR2 has is it weighs virtualyl nothing compared with other cars. It's 1260kg's which makes the 911 seem lardy, and the Boxster, and the later EVO's.

Yet those cars all handle better than the MR2. So maybe weight isn't as important as you think it is, esp if the car is designed for it? There was a rather amusing video of Jap engineers testing the lighter EVO MR vs the heavier one (the MR has an aluminium roof) and the heavier non-MR was faster as though the MR was lighter, the extra rigidity in the non-MRs roof made it handle better.

Sorry….forgot who I was talking to for a second….forget that last paragraph, the MR is faster cos it has more power and is lighter. Let's just ignore facts.

[luthor1]

Bilsteins are standard on an awful lot of Porsches mate.

What chassis setup can I not do on the Tubby then?

I've ran HiSpec race 4-pot calipers on my MR2, Ferrodo DS2500 pads, Mintex M1144's, Pagid, EBC Yellows, 2-piece discs too.

I still say 'better' is subjective, and your "echo" method of winning arguments is transparent for all to see.

I think now I'll revert to: "You're a coward A.I.D.Y get your cowardly yellow car out and prove me wrong"

[Aidy]

Bilsteins are standard on an awful lot of Porsches mate.

Standard on evos too, but a manufacturer is hardly going to fit the best product to a mass-produced car

I've ran HiSpec race 4-pot calipers on my MR2, Ferrodo DS2500 pads, Mintex M1144's, Pagid, EBC Yellows, 2-piece discs too.

Only 4 pots, eh? *shrug* As for those pads they're all bog standard fast road, nothing special.

You skipped the Qs on tyres (which I suspect are rubbish) and ECU (which I suspect is just a piggy-back utilising the car's built-in ECU which is very very basic compared to modern ECUs).

Seems like your state-of-the-art car is pretty standard really. Certainly below par to most out-of-the-box modern performance cars.

[Greddy-Matt]

What tyres are fitted to the EVO as standard Aidy? Bit of a pointless remark isn't it as any you can shoe any car with any rubber size dependant...

I AM running Ohlins suspension BTW, and very nice it is too

[steve b]

What chassis setup can I not do on the Tubby then?

Unless you go out and buy cambolts the cars essentially got zero adjustment for camber, only the slop the bolt hole has. Theres another adjustment that is fixed I can't remember which you have to visit Camskills and part with a couple of hundred for a part that allows that to be adjusted. I think rev1's (probably the only thing better on rev1's) do allow this adjustment, can't think what it was

[Aidy]

What tyres are fitted to the EVO as standard Aidy?

A046 semi-slicks (alas you can't actually buy replacements). My point was that it isn't uncommon for people to "boast" about their car cos of all the bolt-ons, then run rubbish tyres making all that work redundant. That's why I was asking what tyres *he* had running on *his* car.

[Greddy-Matt]

Fair enough

[Jaspa]

That's why I was asking what tyres *he* had running on *his* car.

To a certain extent that's irrelevant as well.

I personally run a set of semi budget tyres and rate them very highly but someone "in the know" would slate me for using them. Where as I'm sure the same person would also preach about Proxys / f1s / "Whatever double the price per corner" tyre, I would not run them when I have less confidence in them.

If that makes sense

[Aidy]

I personally run a set of semi budget tyres and rate them very highly but someone "in the know" would slate me for using them. Where as I'm sure the same person would also preach about Proxys / f1s / "Whatever double the price per corner" tyre, I would not run them when I have less confidence in them.

Maybe you only drive your car to 70% of its abilities and those that preach drive theirs to 100%, meaning what is ok for you is not for them?

You have to spill the beans now anyway and tell us what they are

[Tiamat]

Also tell him why you only running semi-budget tyres




*runs for the hills*

[luthor1]

When I destroyed that 911 round Folembray by nearly 3 seconds a lap, I was running Kumho Ecsta Sport KU31's, because after the trackday we toured 3,500miles round France and Andorra, otherwise I'd have used A-048R's.

[Aidy]

otherwise I'd have used A-048R's.

Yeah, they're ok tyres. Is that what you run as a daily driver?

[Tiamat]

otherwise I'd have used A-048R's.

Yeah, they're ok tyres. Is that what you run as a daily driver?

Tyres itself is a personal issue, people get on well with different brands.
Also it will depend on the vehicle in question.
I love my Pirellis in the dry, hate them in the wet (MK1)
Some people love Falkens on the MK2, I hate mine as they were on when I spun.
Its very subjective.

[Jaspa]

Maybe you only drive your car to 70% of its abilities and those that preach drive theirs to 100%, meaning what is ok for you is not for them?

You have to spill the beans now anyway and tell us what they are

Lol, That's a fair comment, I drive within my personal comfort zone and may not be as skilled as the next driver, Doesn't mean that I don't drive my car hard by any means.

Until recently, my Tyre of choice was Fulda Extremos, but I couldn't get hold of any so I'm running PZero's.

I assume Tiamat you are refering to last friday

[Jaspa]

Tyres itself is a personal issue, people get on well with different brands.
Also it will depend on the vehicle in question.

That's what I was trying to say, just using more words

[GeoffC320]

What tyres are fitted to the EVO as standard Aidy?

A046 semi-slicks (alas you can't actually buy replacements).

That seems like a sterling bit of work from Mitsubishi. Since the suspension is supposed to be optimised for the tyres they fit, didn't they check you could actually buy the tyres in the country of sale? Or is yours an import?

[Aidy]

What tyres are fitted to the EVO as standard Aidy?

A046 semi-slicks (alas you can't actually buy replacements).

That seems like a sterling bit of work from Mitsubishi. Since the suspension is supposed to be optimised for the tyres they fit, didn't they check you could actually buy the tyres in the country of sale? Or is yours an import?

It's only a problem with us in Europe. You can *buy* the tyre outside the UK, you just can't legally fit it cos it isn't approved for use in Europe. Tyres supplied from the manufacturer are ok to have on your car despite not being approved, but to buy and fit yourself the tyres needs to be approved. It's no biggie, there are better tyres out there.

Edit: PS all evos are imports apart from the VIII 260