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Fibre Glass Panels

Post by RichardMorgan »

Hello Richard,

I have recently bought an '87 MR2 and am looking at fitting glass fibre panels. Looking through your website, I found the article linked below:

http://www.mr2mk1club.com/trackdaycar.html

In this article it mentions Gibson Restoration, do they still produce glass fibre panels? If so do you have any contact details for them?

Thanks in advance,

Alex

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Hello Alex, David Hawkes bought Granville Williams old MR2 racer some years ago and had Gibson's restore Granvilles moulds.
At one time he was going to offer panels to MR2 owners but I don't think anything came of it.
Just to be sure I will post your query to the MR2 MK1 Club section of the IMOC forum to see if anyone knows what happened.
Best wishes,
Richard
weegaz22

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cant see a lot of gain for the price/cost tbh
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Front wings maybe not, but bonnet and boot lid absolutely yes.

Jon @ STB
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Sports Toyota Breakers wrote:Front wings maybe not, but bonnet and boot lid absolutely yes.

Jon @ STB


one of the guys on TB has fitted a carbon bonnet, it weighed 8kg, stocker weighs 15kg, its not a lot of difference, bonnets feel heavy cos they are a big wide awkward panels to move

yes its still a weight loss, but it would be last on my list of things to change to loose weight and i would personally only justify it on a pure track car
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If there is genuine interest in mk1 Mr2 parts then I can produce these in CF, CF and Kevlar or FRP.

Bonnets, boots, doors, t bars.

15lbs to 8lbs is still a decent weight saving and I suspect thats a pretty heavy panel - they can be made lighter, just depends on if its for show or performance. Lighter panels result in better performance and handling.
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Bender Unit wrote:If there is genuine interest in mk1 Mr2 parts then I can produce these in CF, CF and Kevlar or FRP.

Bonnets, boots, doors, t bars.

15lbs to 8lbs is still a decent weight saving and I suspect thats a pretty heavy panel - they can be made lighter, just depends on if its for show or performance. Lighter panels result in better performance and handling.


DUDE! :mrgreen:

Can you PM me with some ideas on costs? I take it you'd need to take moulds and you'd require a minimum order of a number of units?

We're gunna have a racing AW11 that needs to be a LOT lighter! :pray:
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Squizz wrote:
Bender Unit wrote:If there is genuine interest in mk1 Mr2 parts then I can produce these in CF, CF and Kevlar or FRP.

Bonnets, boots, doors, t bars.

15lbs to 8lbs is still a decent weight saving and I suspect thats a pretty heavy panel - they can be made lighter, just depends on if its for show or performance. Lighter panels result in better performance and handling.


DUDE! :mrgreen:

Can you PM me with some ideas on costs? I take it you'd need to take moulds and you'd require a minimum order of a number of units?

We're gunna have a racing AW11 that needs to be a LOT lighter! :pray:


I'm also interested in these.....
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Bender Unit wrote:

15lbs to 8lbs is still a decent weight saving and I suspect thats a pretty heavy panel - t


lbs or kg? would prefer to lss the same number of kg rather than the same number of lbs :wink:

would be interested in T-bars.... any idea of price?
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could be intrested in tbars , by the time there made ill have the money to fund them!
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rootes wrote:would be interested in T-bars.... any idea of price?


Yup, same here dependant on price. I have a couple of panels that you can use as templates too if that's any help.

Should point out the mechanism for removing/inserting T-bars is fairly heavy on the panels as well, so some way of lightening that would be grand too...
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DUDE!

Can you PM me with some ideas on costs? I take it you'd need to take moulds and you'd require a minimum order of a number of units?

We're gunna have a racing AW11 that needs to be a LOT lighter!.


Still fixing prices at the moment, currently doing AE86 panels but want to move onto doing SW20 and others. I have to be honest I considered the AW11 (due to the amount of people that track them) but was unsure if Mk1 owners would pay the money? Is there much interest?

Basically the panels I am making are OEM fitment, so if people wanted they can run glass, door cards etc - if you want even less weight you can cut the second skin off and do things like fixed poly carb windows.

Can you use FRP panels for the MR2 race series?

I have made enquiries on tracking down the T bar panels for the mk1, itss just getting them as they are a good distance away and my time is so limited. If anyone is around Bristol / Southwest and have some spare then let me know - same goes for any panels I can then use them for moulds.

Cheers

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David is back in running mk1 mr2 ownership after buying our standard SC.

I'm sure he'll be able to give you all the details you would need - he does lurk here from time to time, or you can pm him (his username is dgh.mr2)
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If you are tracking, racing or are just very 'enthusiastic' in the bends it is not just about weight loss it is the effect the weight loss has on the C of G. Every time you lose a few kilo high up in the body (bonnet, boot, engine cover) you bring the potential C of G down. I say potential because you still have to account for the dynamic weight of fuel and passengers.

Completely ignore the aesthetic POV though - CF panels can look very pretty on the right colour car. :-)
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Bender Unit wrote:
15lbs to 8lbs is still a decent weight saving and I suspect thats a pretty heavy panel - they can be made lighter, just depends on if its for show or performance. Lighter panels result in better performance and handling.


it was Kg not lbs, yes they can be made lighter which is the point i was making, its fine on a track car as asthetics come last, but the majority of people will be using them as road cars where asthetics are important

and lets face it, 7kg in weight is bu88er all when your talking about a 1050kg car, yes it all adds up, but so does the cost are you really wanting to spend say £300+ on a cf bonnet to save 7kg?, it really depends on how anal you are about weight saving, a sheet of 2mm ally would do for a bonnet if you really dont care about asthetics way way cheaper than carbon

theres other ways of saving weight that i would do before considering using cf panels, gut the doors, polycarb windows, etc

and if your racing does the race series your in have a minimum weight limit?
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im definately interested in carbon doors.
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kevlar me up baby!
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weegaz22 wrote:
Bender Unit wrote:
15lbs to 8lbs is still a decent weight saving and I suspect thats a pretty heavy panel - they can be made lighter, just depends on if its for show or performance. Lighter panels result in better performance and handling.


it was Kg not lbs, yes they can be made lighter which is the point i was making, its fine on a track car as asthetics come last, but the majority of people will be using them as road cars where asthetics are important

and lets face it, 7kg in weight is bu88er all when your talking about a 1050kg car, yes it all adds up, but so does the cost are you really wanting to spend say £300+ on a cf bonnet to save 7kg?, it really depends on how anal you are about weight saving, a sheet of 2mm ally would do for a bonnet if you really dont care about asthetics way way cheaper than carbon

theres other ways of saving weight that i would do before considering using cf panels, gut the doors, polycarb windows, etc

and if your racing does the race series your in have a minimum weight limit?


save 7kg 15 times though and youve lost 10% of the cars weight!! its all significant, but like you say it can be expensive. its a question of weighing up the weight savings against the cost. but if youre wanting to lose more than just the sound deadening, etc which can be ripped out for free, then chances are you arent too fussed about spending some cash, as there are no other options
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Jim-SR wrote:
weegaz22 wrote:
Bender Unit wrote:
15lbs to 8lbs is still a decent weight saving and I suspect thats a pretty heavy panel - they can be made lighter, just depends on if its for show or performance. Lighter panels result in better performance and handling.


it was Kg not lbs, yes they can be made lighter which is the point i was making, its fine on a track car as asthetics come last, but the majority of people will be using them as road cars where asthetics are important

and lets face it, 7kg in weight is bu88er all when your talking about a 1050kg car, yes it all adds up, but so does the cost are you really wanting to spend say £300+ on a cf bonnet to save 7kg?, it really depends on how anal you are about weight saving, a sheet of 2mm ally would do for a bonnet if you really dont care about asthetics way way cheaper than carbon

theres other ways of saving weight that i would do before considering using cf panels, gut the doors, polycarb windows, etc

and if your racing does the race series your in have a minimum weight limit?


save 7kg 15 times though and youve lost 10% of the cars weight!! its all significant, but like you say it can be expensive. its a question of weighing up the weight savings against the cost. but if youre wanting to lose more than just the sound deadening, etc which can be ripped out for free, then chances are you arent too fussed about spending some cash, as there are no other options


but after you have ripped out everything you dont need jim then you arent going to loose lots of weight after that just by sticking carbon bits on, the majority of weight is all in the crap that you dont need for the track that can be lost for free, its shaving the last few kilos off that gets expensive

if you want a lighter bonnet gut some of the structural bars out, its not as if your going to be lifting the bonnet to check the engine often is it? :mrgreen:
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weegaz22 wrote:but after you have ripped out everything you dont need jim then you arent going to loose lots of weight after that just by sticking carbon bits on, the majority of weight is all in the crap that you dont need for the track that can be lost for free, its shaving the last few kilos off that gets expensive

if you want a lighter bonnet gut some of the structural bars out, its not as if your going to be lifting the bonnet to check the engine often is it? :mrgreen:


thats exactly what i was trying to say though. you remove all of the stuff that you dont need first, because that stuff is free to remove, just takes a bit of hard graft the remove sound deadening, etc. next you cut out metal where you can afford to lose it (as youve said).

but after that you cant lose any more weight, because everything left is required. so you have no choice but to replace with items made from lighter material.

if youve already gutted the car and cut away metal, and you STILL want to lose more weight, then chances are you have a fairly serious car in your hands (race car, hardcore track car, or youre just rich and want to go beyond the necessary for your project car) and thus spending £300 to lose 7kg isnt such a major issue

personally i wouldnt bother with composite wings as the metal is fairly thin and doesnt weigh that much. the bonnet weighs 15kg and you can get that down under 5kg with composites (maybe even less with carbon fibre), t-bar glass probably weighs 6-10kg and you can get that down under 2kg easily, if you were to replace the t-bar entirely with bolted/rivetted in plates then you could probably lose 10-15kg there as well

for a bonnet and some t-bar glass alternative you are probably talking about £400 or so. add another £200 for polycarb rear and quarter windows and youve shifted 30kg or so for £600. not breaking the bank, and making significant savings. 30kg off of the 900-950kg the car would weigh properly gutted is about 3%
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