[Mk2] [Turbo] Me cars wobbly!!!

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[Mk2] [Turbo] Me cars wobbly!!!

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Me cars wobbly!!!

Me car feels a bit wobbly, especially when I go over bumps and uneven road surfaces and when breaking! The steering wheel use to shake whilst breaking before, I think this could be due to tracking and/or a possible warped break disc?

I then had a wee crash and it seems to be worst now so I guess my tracking is completley shot now, hence the manic wobbling I get, sometimes very hard to control the car, hence why I have been taking it easy!

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As well as getting the alignment sorted check the balljoints too.
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How do I check them? What am I looking for?

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I thought it may be the tracking being completely shot but I didn't think it would cause it to wobble like this!

Im beginning to worry if the chassis may have been twisted, anyway of me finding out? I guess taking it to the garage is the only way to find out? :(

My old man thinks it may have been something else being bent to do with the wheels and steering, cant remember the names now, something like the tracking rods, and something else?

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Actually, come to think of it, my rear left alloy was covered in mud after it got buried in the mud bank, that may have bu88ered the join or something on that wheel? Can the rear ones cause the wobbling? Its not just the front ones right?

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Hi guys,

A quick update, I took my car to the garage today, turns out the wobbling was caused by the back passenger side wheel being pushed forward and so has bent the suspension rod, going to find out the full details of the damage tomorrow morning but the guy said Im looking at about £300ish + VAT for the parts alone and then about £150 labour on top but he will do the tracking and any other alignments that need doing too.

He said I could provide 2nd hand parts but im not sure if their a false economy or not? Especially when it comes to something important as suspension and the wheels! He said he might not yet need all the parts but best to get them all just in case since wont really know till he starts doing the work.

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Hi there.

If it's the arm that I'm thinking of, that effects the caster of the rear wheels, then that price is extorsionate.

I can do next day delivery on that part for you, with a digit off the end 8-[ what revision do you have?

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Its a revision 1 mate. I hope it is the arm you think it is so I can order it off you instead. Any idea how much postage roughly? Im down in cornwall, where are you based?

I will find out the exact details tomorrow, he just said something about the suspension rods and needed to replace a few parts because it had all been bent forwards. I will be having a look tomorrow and see it on the ramp so will know for sure then. What should I be looking for though? What makes you think its the arm anyway mate?

Also, do you think its best to go for new rather than 2nd hand then?

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Right, seen under the car now and its 3 bars that have been bent. Control arm/tie bar is bent. Lower suspension arm is twisted and adjusting arm at the back is bent/damaged.

May need new bushes, bolts and ballpoints too.

Still looking like £300 + vat? And £150 labour?

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jeez, that mustve taken a hefty knock! :shock:
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Yeah it did! :( You should see the front! #-o
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Get some quality tyres on your '2 ASAP. They may cost more - but they'll save you from this again!

Vibration ... check your alloys (if not standard) are hub-centric - they need to be for the '2.

Then do the balljoints all around .. and get an alignment and a set of decent tyres (Eg Toyos / S03 / F1s)
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Yeah thats the next thing I want to get on there! Any idea how much im looking at? Could I get away with just the rear tyres for now?

How do I got about checking my alloys are hub-centric?

The garage is probably going to replace the balljoint on that wheel and then do an alignment after the repairs. You think I should do the other three too?

If I dont could it effect the handling since that wheel would be tighter than the other three? What about the bushes?
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dellams wrote:Yeah thats the next thing I want to get on there! Any idea how much im looking at? Could I get away with just the rear tyres for now?


Putting good tyres on the rear would mean that in the wet, you may end up with a little understeer, eg going around roundabouts if you've got cheaper tyres on the front. To be honest, that's a fairly safe setup if you're not used to oversteer.


How do I got about checking my alloys are hub-centric?


Just take the alloys off the car - you should find they've got a hole in the middle to fit over the raised bit of the hub on the car.

Toyota original alloys would use this central raised bit to centre the wheel on the hub - hence 'hub centric' but if you're using alloys, you will need a spacer that sits on the hub, and is the right size for the centering hole on the alloy.

Good alloy wheel specialists should be able to measure this up and get the right spacer rings in - they're usually just hard plastic rings.


The garage is probably going to replace the balljoint on that wheel and then do an alignment after the repairs. You think I should do the other three too?

If I don't could it effect the handling since that wheel would be tighter than the other three? What about the bushes?


Balljoints - they're about £30 each for the part, plus maybe 30-45 minutes each to do. A garage with the right tools could probably do it much more quickly than that.

If the car has done more than 80k miles, I'd definitely do them - they help with the suspension and alignment.

With the accident - after the garage replace the tie bar, you will need to get an alignment done to make sure everything is OK.

Suspension bushes - well, in my experience, I replaced mine on my Mk2 around 100k miles and only noticed a very slight improvement in feel and feedback. What made much more of a difference was replacing the shock absorbers - that's more expensive with each corner being around £130 - 150. I did mine as the front pair were rattly first thing in the morning - a known problem, but which doesn't affect their performance.
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Thanks for all the info mate, really appreciated! :thumleft:

Ive got Dezent alloys, think their the hyper T ones so I would have thought their be hub-centric. But ill double check with the garage or when I get it back.

Good news is thats my car has only done 35k miles hence why I want to save it. If I went through insurance think they would write it off. :( Really cheesed off since I only had it for 6 days before I crashed it and before then it had been really well looked after since engine and bodywork etc all really tidy. :(

Im thinking of fitting a rev3 subframe for the rear suspension, would there be any problems with this? Would it effect the handling since it was not designed to work with the rev1 front suspension and chasis, etc? What other handling improvements did the rev3 have? Will it be a noticeable improvement to the handling with the rev3 subframe on?

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Where abouts in Cornwall are you ?

Have you found a decent garage yet ?
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Im down in Falmouth, where abouts are you? Well taken my parts to the garage, keeps doing the hissing and ooo, i dont know crap! :mad:

Said it would cost at least £150 to fit subframe and that was when arms were attached but it arrived not attached so god knows how much now! :( hes suppose to be £25/hour so cant see how it takes 6 hours!!! :cry:

Got decent brand new EBS discs and pads and he said well, we're have to see if their any good! ](*,)

I just wished I had a ramp so I could do it myself!

You know any decent garages? [-o<

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Ha ha

in Falmouth too... :shock:

I am one of the many 'pink' :oops: (red neglected) n/as driving round, there are quite a few now I notice.

I have put my car in Mr T at Parklands, Brooklands (truro), Lucas (falmouth), Eastwood (penryn) - wouldnt recommend any to be honest. Falmouth Tyres are good...

Good luck with the repairs...might see on the road somewhere...

Any one else from Cornwall ?
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lol, small world eh! :) Nice to finally find someone who is also down here, was beginning to think I was on my own! Problem is I cant find any MR2 specialists or even just anyone who knows a bit about them!!!

This guy doesn't know anything about them! :(

How much do Falmouth Tyres charge? They know what their doing?

Basically I need the subframe fitting but I think for now I might just get the arms that are damaged replaced, rev3 arms are the same as rev1 arms right?

Yeah look forward to seeing you on the road mate, if I ever get back on it!!! :(

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