[Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Discussion and technical advice the SW20 MR2. 3S-GTE, 3S-GE, 3S-FE etc
Anything and everything to do with maintenance, modifications and electrical is in here for the Mk2.

Moderators: IMOC Moderators, IMOC Committee Members

Ian Geary
Posts: 1725
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:43 pm
Location: Surrey

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by Ian Geary »

Hello Vish

welcome to IMOC. The MR2 is a fairly unique car, its good looking and the turbo model offers stunning power per pound.

I don't think anyone on here will disagree with that.

However, it would be a brave person who took one on as a first car. There are 2 main reasons to consider: financial and driving characteristics.

Financial - most people have covered this, but the running costs on these (or most high performance cars) are high. A new rear tyre isn't £25 like on a Punto, but is £90 - and that's for a fairly cheap one. HT leads aren't £15 - they're £100. And so on. A lump sum will last for a bit, but what will you do when its gone? I take home a modest £2k a month, and I still have to budget carefully.

Capabilities - again, as people have pointed out, this is not an ideal first car. Studies like the one below have looked into how young drivers really "learn" to drive:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/d ... 613879.pdf

with varying levels of sucess.

My first car was 34bhp, and I had quite a few close calls. If I'd had one nearly 7 times as powerful, I would not be sitting here now.

Please don't take this personally, I can recall older chaps all wagging their head saying how reckless those young drivers are - and it annoyed the hell out of me, as I always thought I was "a good driver". But unfortunately any driving or road professionals such as the police will know of the huge casulties that arise when fast cars and young people get together.

However, if drivers overcome the temptation to show off, but instead take real pride in their motor and their driving (as I think you would) there's every chance your car will still be pristine in 5+ years.

So, what to do?

An option already mooted is an n/a MR2 - say rev3 to get some of the upgrades the earlier cars didn't have. You'll have a lot of power, all of the looks, and less cost. The power delivery will be a bit more predictable than the turbo, and your by no means getting a 2nd rate version of the car.

If you want something fast, fun and Japanese, how about the Corolla Gti, with the 4A-GE engine? Fwd cars tend to understear when pushed, which is easier to deal with than overstearing rwd cars as a general rule.

Unfortunately the UK insurance industry forces young drivers to either build up ncd on their parents policy, or by driving a banger (often more unsafe than powerful cars I reckon).

End of the day, aspirations like this are worth working for, and only you can make it happen. Just enter into it with your eyes open. And don't get into large debt either.

I wish I could have done the same at 17 - but you have got a lot of years left before you can no longer drive a 2 seater with pride (which is 39 by the way).

Only joking there - it's 49 really :lol:

Ian
craig
Posts: 43936
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:44 am

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by craig »

nice post Ian, my first car was a '90 MK3 45bhp 997 Fiesta popular :lol:
2Crooky
Posts: 3306
Joined: Tue May 09, 2006 11:34 pm
Location: Guildford

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by 2Crooky »

Vish - I don't know you but i don't wanna see you dead a week after passing your test, or even when you are 18 for that matter.......

MR2's are renound for being a handful and not just in the wet weather :shock:

If you are considering a turbo you will be looking at the earlier rvisions which hit 60mph in about 5.9 secs or the later revisions at 5.2 secs :pale:

when you first pass your test a 1.2 engine feels fairly pokey, but a 2 litre turbocharged engine is crazy. No one will insure you for one and you won't be able to afford the running costs.

I am in a fairly well paid occupation, but linked with insurance, fuel costs, servicing etc....you will have no money at all, like me :oops: !!!!

It is more than likely that you won't be respected for having a Turbo at 17. Your other mates or people of similar age will think it is utterly stupid to own such a car!

There are many pics on this forum of people a lot older and far more experienced who have destroyed their pride and joy MR2. It is not a sensible idea.

I know the feeling of wanting the fastest car possible for your age. TBH mate for cheap thrills and an abolute larf get a saxo vtr 1.6 and be done with it at 19 :thumleft:
Leon.
Posts: 12780
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:35 pm
Location: Guildford, Surrey

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by Leon. »

lukem wrote:buy a cheap car and gain some experience in that. do something else more useful with the money - travel/gigs/booze/drugs/women/men etc, broaden your horizons! you've got plenty of time to buy fast cars in a few years time. i think you'll regret putting all your money into a car at that age.

cheers, luke.


I have to agree.

Its seems everyone is saying the same thing, and I'm glad you came to us for advice, welcome btw Vish :D

Seriously do not get an MR2 turbo. The reasons are clear already, most importantly your life and friends lives are worth more than a car. It probably sounds patronising but 17 is just too young to own one of these cars, despite how level headed you are, which I'm sure you are. Get some experience of road driving first in a FWD car first, then after a couple of years move up to a RWD non-turbo, then a year later move up to the turbo. This way you will be in a better position to run one, will have a reasonable amount of road experience, and appreciate it more!

I think if you did buy a turbo now, you would be spending all your money on it, and I mean all of it. You don't want to get into modding at your age, it will drain your money for a long time! You should be spending it on going out and good times at your age - cars can wait. And I agree with Blokey, you have to insure it for F&T even if not driving it for obvious reasons.

I fell in love with MR2s at the age of about 10 but realistically knew it would be a few years before I got my first one - 24. I bought an N/A and then a turbo a year later. I'm now in a position to modify it to my tastes. At the age of 17 I had a Ford Fiesta Popular like RedMR2 :thumleft: Then moved to a Starlet N/A then the MR2 N/A.

There are too many horror stories of crashes and lives lost, its not worth it at your age! I can't believe your next of kin would be happy about the prospect!!

I'm guessing you were hoping for a bit more support than what we have given but we are just being realistic and looking out for you :thumleft:
alexwainwright
Posts: 307
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:56 pm
Location: San Francisco

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by alexwainwright »

Welcome Vish!

I'm not going to preach about the dangers of the car, but I will give a bit of advice....

These cars cost a lot to run. They are sports cars that are a bargain to buy now, but still incur sports car running costs. You mention £700 in wages to go towards the car - I've blown nearly that in one service just on parts (all labour done by my own fair hands!!)
Then a set of tyres will sting, not to mention the oil changes every 3000 miles (and only fully synthetic!!).
Petrol too - you won't get very far with a tubby on student wages!!

The upshot of all this is that you just won't be able to enjoy the car, as you won't be able to afford to do so, and will most likely end up resenting it as such a drain on your pocket. Not a situation you want to end up in with your dream car!! You won't want to drive it or enjoy it like you should.
Andy Champ
Posts: 345
Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:02 pm

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by Andy Champ »

Sorry Vish, I'm going to sound just like your dad here...

But don't do it. There's a good chance you'll crash it, an MR2 is a lot of car for someone who hasn't done many miles. Hell, the first time I drove one I span it - luckily without damage - and I'd driven well over a quarter of a million miles.

Then what are you going to do with it? I've just used my wife's little "shopping trolley" [Swift] to take my son back to Uni. because the MR2 can't even hold his PC.

The MR2 is great for me, it's comfy, it's quick, it has enough room for luggage for me and the missus for a week, and my insurance is only a fiver a week. Yours'll likely be nearer a fiver a DAY.

What do you want from a car?
Take your friends out? [Do you only have one? - I only have the one that really matters] Pick up that cheap chair for your new flat? Run some rubbish down to the dump?

Do you live in an area where you'd be happy to park a nice car outside?

You'll probably meet someone - Unis are good for that - and end up getting married or something, and you probably won't have kids for a few years, and you'll probably want to sort out somewhere decent to live. Once you've got that first mortgage, and before the kids come along, that's the time to get the sports car.

Or you can do what I did: buy the car I always wanted and couldn't afford - when they left home!

Andy
fizz
Posts: 3761
Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:33 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorks

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by fizz »

I went the other way... went to uni... passed my test... waited till i was in a job with £14k+ and then bought one... Still living at home mind.

Was driving about in my mums Corolla 1.6 Exec and that was plenty quick! :mrgreen:

Sadly after owning a tubby for 2 years i had to sell up ro raise monies for my wedding...

Then i bought a GT4 and now thats had to be sold as im getting a house... and im on a lot more than the £14k i was on and still cant afford to run one.. :cry:
fizz
Posts: 3761
Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:33 pm
Location: Bradford West Yorks

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by fizz »

Here is a great thread for you to read mate.. :mrgreen:

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0
lukem

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by lukem »

well that's scared him off!!!
Martin F
IMOC Moderator
Posts: 14830
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:19 pm
Location: The Couch !

turbo

Post by Martin F »

ive got to ad that when i was your age i and every one i knew were mad in cars,no common sense whatsoever and it took me many years to chill out behind the wheel...still with the experience(or not as some may say) i have now this car bites,please listen to what everyone is saying and buy a decent front wheel driven car and spend your money doing that up and enjoy all it brings...
theres plenty of life in you yet and trust me when i say this...time goes on and there will come a time when you can buy a car like this and enjoy it....!
these cars are deadly in the wrong hands and if id bought one at 17 i wouldnt be here right now.i know its sh*t people ruining your joy but its advice from many different people and they are all saying the same thing.
if your desperate for turbo power then theres plenty to choose from,rs turbo comes to mind.that would be a cracking car for a 17 year old and the girls luv em...
nyway hope everyone here has made you maybe think twice and all the best mate
vishpish
Posts: 565
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:57 am
Location: Glasgow

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by vishpish »

guys thanks for the advice. currently considering the idea of an original mk1 golf, and of course the mr2 is still deep in my mind. the problem im having is finding a car that is actually worth my while spending a lot on and not just a runaround for insurance. i would rather buy a car id fall in love with. the original golf is the only thing close and its much slower and safer! any other suggestions to cars that have a bit of class about them and arent too quick? maybe lookin at older cars, cus nothin new strikes me...thanks everyone
Andy Champ
Posts: 345
Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:02 pm

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by Andy Champ »

Buy a heap. You'll quite likely crash it - look up the stats for 17Yr old men - or someone will key it - student areas aren't usually the nicest - or your mates will puke all over the back after a party. AND YOU WON'T CARE.

Buy a nice car when you have a job and a nice place to park it.

HTH

Andy
Bobby (aka Shaggar)
Posts: 2559
Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:09 am
Location: London

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by Bobby (aka Shaggar) »

vishpish wrote:guys thanks for the advice. currently considering the idea of an original mk1 golf, and of course the mr2 is still deep in my mind. the problem im having is finding a car that is actually worth my while spending a lot on and not just a runaround for insurance. i would rather buy a car id fall in love with. the original golf is the only thing close and its much slower and safer! any other suggestions to cars that have a bit of class about them and arent too quick? maybe lookin at older cars, cus nothin new strikes me...thanks everyone



Sounds like a man with a plan!

=D>
James Junior
Posts: 916
Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:04 pm
Location: Manchester

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by James Junior »

DARRYN wrote:
Yas wrote:
V8Killer wrote:Trust me when i say this...go put a deposit on a house / apartment :D


=D> I wish i had done that

Yas #-o

Welcome to imoc btw :D


I'm with you on that !
It's a better bet to save some more money and put it towards a house than a car .
If you really do want to buy an mr2 turbo, then why not try to find a really cheap mk1 to run around in for a year, gets you a years ncb, gets you used to running costs, and gives you an idea of mid engined rear wheel drive handling and the inherent dangers !
Not meaning to pee on your chips, but what is your 'team' about. If you plan on racing then you'll need a shed load more capital to be competitive, and a lot of practice to make the car handle .
Another point of note is that £2300 minus insurance isn't going to buy a 'Beast' but more likely a 'Dog' , you may do better to buy a nice rev 3 n/a and then if you can afford (above servicing costs, petrol tax and consumables ) a few extra beans then you could work on some tuning goodies and let the car's power grow with your experience .
Take your time, cool off and look at it all rationally, and then put things in perspective relative to your whole life not just your passion for the mr2. You still need to clothe yourself, go for nights out, buy birthday presents, go holidays etc. (This coming from a tramp who never goes on holiday but has a pretty nice mr2 lol)
Best of Luck whatever you decide, and if you feel like experiencing almost turbo performance you can have a passenger run in my tuned n/a , I'm just 20 mins from Glasgow :thumleft:


Some sound advise there.

IMO the evolution of car ownership is like a ladder - if you climb it one rung at a time then you enjoy and appreciate every step.

If you buy a sensible car now you can comfortably insure and run it and will still enjoy driving it. plus in your first year of driving you WILL prang it and learn a few lessons the hard way! Everyone does.

Following your first years NCB you can get something a bit faster which will feel like a step up and again you'll get a lot of enjoyment out of it.

Another years NCB - another step up, more fun. And so and so on...

What I am trying to say is that an MR2 turbo is A LOT to have at 17 / 18. If you have a car like this at your age you will never appreciate anything less (and lets face it, there isn't much even on the market today that offers such an all round desirable performance car). Also without a high level of earnings your car will become a burden because you will struggle to run it and be sacrificing other things like clothes, partying, holidays which you should be enjoying at this time in our life!

Save your money and buy a cheap car just to get your first years NCB and enjoy living your life while your young before taking on such a major financial burden is my advise.

I ran a hot hatch through my first year of uni and it crippled me financially - I missed out on a lot of things that I'll never have another chance to do again now...

Good luck whatever you decide to do.

Regards

JJ
jimGTS
Posts: 14024
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:40 pm
Location: North Kent

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by jimGTS »

my dream car at 17/18 was a renault 5 GT Turbo!
realistic car basically, i never got one, but would still love to have a go in one.....
of course RS turbo escort.....
1.6 or 1.9GTi 205!
djlee_dj

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by djlee_dj »

this time last year i had a nissan micra. after that a bmw 318is coupe. now a mr2 turbo ....... im 22

its a completly different car to anything i have driven (starlets GTT's, type R, 1200's, 1400's, vtech's, gsi's, GTTDi's etc)

can catch you out !

keep it sensible and youl be fine (but when you get your test il 95% garentee you dont 'keep it sensible' ..... youl be flat out everywhere)
mitsa2

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by mitsa2 »

i paid £1400 to insure my tubby.
as said be4 if youre not used to the mid eng rwd
i would say get a na 1 1st too,cheaper to insure
and will let you get the hang of rwd.

just go easy on it round bends and corners mate,lol.

p.s werbouts in glasgow you from as i am too!?!
vishpish
Posts: 565
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:57 am
Location: Glasgow

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by vishpish »

Im in Bearsden just off the West end. what about yourself sir...im probably in the westend and town mostly though. im going to look around for some older classic cars that i can get insured now-ish as the main driver without too much cost...and i can build up a ncb for the mr2 tubby in the future. I like the idea of a Ladder you are describing and working up it for appreciation. Looking at Lancias as well and the Renault 5 is a rlly nice car too!

i hate to sound as if im clinging to the idea of a tubby, but am i right in saying there is a way in which i could control the boost of the turbo as to maybe start driving the car with half turbo boost and gaining experience like that. Ill be totally honest and say i dont want to be pouring a lot of my money into a car im jus going to replace in a few years, id like something a little more long term. obviously you could argue i would thrash the car and put full boost on because thats the way to go but being scared shitless of it i might wait a while before i go anywher near that. Is this feasible or am i mitigating a losing argument?
User avatar
Lauren
IMOC Committee
Posts: 38632
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:37 pm
Location: Greater Manchester
Contact:

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by Lauren »

vishpish wrote:
i hate to sound as if im clinging to the idea of a tubby, but am i right in saying there is a way in which i could control the boost of the turbo as to maybe start driving the car with half turbo boost and gaining experience like that. Ill be totally honest and say i dont want to be pouring a lot of my money into a car im jus going to replace in a few years, id like something a little more long term. obviously you could argue i would thrash the car and put full boost on because thats the way to go but being scared shitless of it i might wait a while before i go anywher near that. Is this feasible or am i mitigating a losing argument?


You are mitigating a losing argument. By all means try and get a fun car, but keep the costs and the engine size low. Go for a cooking small hatch ie in the 106 rallye type guise of things, so that okay its not going to be utter crap to drive, but if you are paying over a grand insurance then its too much (i'd try and cap it at £800, though i don't honestly know what it costs new drivers these days).

Just bide your time, get some experience. If you still want a tubby in a couple of years by all means revisit it then.
2020 GR Yaris - Circuit Pack :lover:
pcp

Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] HELP! - My life savings on an Tubby at 17, am i crazy?

Post by pcp »

i think you'd be nuts to buy a tubby at 17, actually i think you'd be nuts to buy any mid engined car at 17, even a NA. they are beautiful but honestly you'd need to get some experience behind the wheel first of lower powered easier handling cars, the mk2 was produced right up until 1999 so even after a few years of driving experience you'll still be able to pick one up the same age as ones you're looking at now \:D/

good luck with the search dude but seriously look at easier driving cars, maybe something like a 306 TD, not the prettiest but good cars to drive and more than enough power for anybody who's just passed their test :D
Post Reply

Return to “MR2 MK2 1990 - 1999 NA & Turbo”