safe levels of boost

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Re: safe levels of boost

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And I'm guessing that'll cost an arm and a leg for a full tank?
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Jonny4494 wrote:And I'm guessing that'll cost an arm and a leg for a full tank?


What you do is buy a very high octane fuel, 116 or 120 and mix it with normal fuel to get the octaine you want
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bobhatton wrote:
Jonny4494 wrote:And I'm guessing that'll cost an arm and a leg for a full tank?


What you do is buy a very high octane fuel, 116 or 120 and mix it with normal fuel to get the octaine you want


What about toluene? RON 121, MON 102
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So what sort of ratio for mixing the 2 fuels?
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Jonny4494 wrote:So what sort of ratio for mixing the 2 fuels?


You have to work that one out depending on the octane of what you are mixing and what octane you want.
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See I struggle to believe that 99 isn't good enough. Simply because the Turbo was built and tuned for Japan Super Premium fuel which is 100 ron. I know 99 ron isn't quite enough but surely it is close enough not to cause knock.

I'd happily try to mix my own fuel to make 102 ron but dealing with highly combustible fuel scares me

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Jonny4494 wrote:So would you recommend using tesco's momentum 99 in them? Would it prolong the life of the engine?


I wouldn't use anything other than Super in a Turbo as it was Tuned for Japan and they use 100ron.

The higher the ron the better to avoid predet
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And we should really be looking at MON ratings rather than RON..
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Draven wrote:See I struggle to believe that 99 isn't good enough. Simply because the Turbo was built and tuned for Japan Super Premium fuel which is 100 ron. I know 99 ron isn't quite enough but surely it is close enough not to cause knock.

:roll:


Got to agree with this. :thumleft:
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Draven wrote:See I struggle to believe that 99 isn't good enough. Simply because the Turbo was built and tuned for Japan Super Premium fuel which is 100 ron. I know 99 ron isn't quite enough but surely it is close enough not to cause knock.

I'd happily try to mix my own fuel to make 102 ron but dealing with highly combustible fuel scares me

:roll:


Just do not smoke when doing it.


We have fitted a number of damaged engines now with 8.0:1 pistons and they fly, so much faster than when running 8.5:1 comp on 99 fuel, no knock so the ECU controls as it should
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As much as I hate to agree with Bob on anything, he's dead right IMO.

I spanked my rev2 with 22psi, it got serious abuse but it was running 95 octane fuel....it was however running methanol injection which took octane to silly levels on boost though and that there is the difference.
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bobhatton wrote:
Just do not smoke when doing it.


We have fitted a number of damaged engines now with 8.0:1 pistons and they fly, so much faster than when running 8.5:1 comp on 99 fuel, no knock so the ECU controls as it should


Instead of just saying 'oh they fly' maybe you should give us some actual evidence with dyno charts of both examples.
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Where are all these owners who own these cars??
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jimGTS wrote:Where are all these owners who own these cars??


Don't know which post that is referring to?
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Think jimgts comment was.aimed at the owners with the reduced compression pistons fitted
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Is Shell Nitro+ not 100ron. Sure it is
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gnzyza wrote:Is Shell Nitro+ not 100ron. Sure it is


99 RON.
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Race Idiot wrote:
bobhatton wrote:
Just do not smoke when doing it.


We have fitted a number of damaged engines now with 8.0:1 pistons and they fly, so much faster than when running 8.5:1 comp on 99 fuel, no knock so the ECU controls as it should


Instead of just saying 'oh they fly' maybe you should give us some actual evidence with dyno charts of both examples.


Why would we want to dyno a damaged engine or a stock rebuilt engine?

The power output will just be stock but the ECU is no longer running under the control of the knock senser so the car drives far better
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jimGTS wrote:Where are all these owners who own these cars??


Driving around in Devon and Cornwall.
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I'm having a engine rebuild with pistons 8.0:1. I'll let you know if I fly :)
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