[Mk2] [Turbo] Convert Rev6 Low Rise Quad Headlamps to HID's

[mazmilly99]

Well I’m planning on buying the rogue revision6 Low Rise Quad Headlamp Conversion, but I want HIDs... What’s needed and how is it done? Will I still have the high beam? I know there’s a HID option, but I was told it’s a lot cheaper to do it myself..
If there’s a how to link, please post.
If not please help me out. Thanks

[willfinch36]

You basically need to buy two sets of HID's my mate has just done this in his rev6 rouge lights...

[mazmilly99]

where did he get his from? I need a h7 bulb correct? how do i install both sets so one is the dip beam and the other is high beam?

[mazmilly99]

There's no How-To thread on this? I searched but couldn't find anything....
I would have thought someone would have documented there project.

[willfinch36]

thats right, 2 x h7 kits

sorry im not quite sure I wasn't there when did fitted them, if no one gets back to you today I will speak to him tommorow and ask

[martonmr2turbo]

Hi there mate i just thought i would put my 2p worth in , I am considering the exact upgrade as yourself and i have spoken to rogue motorsprt about this and the reason there is no how too is because unless you buy the proper package for 1000.00 off rogue the head lights will be illegal as all HID headlights have to be self levelling, you can however continue on your mission and buy the 2 HID kits off fleabay and do it yourself but it is a game of trial and error and time and kicking tyres etc , as well as the MOT situation where they check the headlights too, but upto you im still gonna try it,, hope thats as clear as mud lol just thought i would share with you the information i have been advised,

cheers jon,

[Rogue]

Just to clarify, all HID headlights whether standard or aftermarket must legally be fitted with a self levelling and remote washer system. There is a HID version of the Hella component lamps we use in the kit, but they're about four times the price - and they won't make the kit road legal.

For off road use, something like this would be suitable:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0571294689

...and you'll need one kit for each pair of lights.

[asdrewq]

Out of interest which Hella modules do you use in these lights Patrick? I have some on my turbo and have been thinking it would make an interesting project to swap the two inner fullbeam units for projector units, remove internal cutoff shielding and install a 4-light bi-xenon system.

[mazmilly99]

Thanks alot, i think im just gonna give it a try.
For 'OFF ROAD' purposes ofcourse.....
I hope its not as bad as it seens.
Will I have to alter the headlamp mouldings?

[Si_Crewe]

Just putting it out there...

Why the need for 2 HID kits?
Why not just stick with regular (maybe with uprated bulb) dip beams and then just fit the HIDs to the main beam lights for use on dark roads?
Does anybody really NEED HID lights in town at night?

One other thing...

Does the Rogue quad kit keep the dips on with the main beams?

I ask cos I've just done a similar conversion on my Ducati bike.
The bike has one dip-beam light and one main beam.
The split-second between the dip beam going off and the main beam coming on (HIDs flicker briefly before lighting up properly) was pretty bloody scary at high speed.
Fortunately, it's pretty easy to modify the Ducati switchgear so the dip beam stays on all the time.

Also, does that legal stuff also apply to bikes?
I assume it doesn't.

Oh, also... HID kits an wigs?

[asdrewq]

Main beam HID's suck in my opinion. Useless for flashing people. Can get round this problem on the mr2 though by wiring up the mainbeam to the front driving lights, which do the job very well. Removes popup lag problems too.

With HID dipped you rarely need to use fullbeam for visibility anyway.

The Rogue kit does not keep the dips on with mainbeam as standard, but a relay and a bit of wire soon fixes that.

You only need HID lights in town at night if you're one of the Maccy' Ds angel eyes saxo brigade, however IMO ~5000K HID lights are just alot nicer to drive with than standard filament bulbs and even uber-white ones such as Nightbreakers.

[Si_Crewe]

With HID dipped you rarely need to use fullbeam for visibility anyway.

Yeah, because the dip beams are so ridiculously bright.

That was kinda my point.

I used to drive a company car with HID lights (can't recall what TBH) and I got sooooo sick of people flashing their lights at me as I drove toward them.
Also, HIDs are awful when you're following another car.
They're fine when you're directly behind but in corners or on hills they can be incredibly dazzling for the person in front.
Admittedly, this is usually a problem with the projector lenses used with the HID bulbs so it might not be the same with an aftermarket kit.
Course, it might be worse.

Hence why I'd really only want one for main-beam, where you knock it off as soon as you seen anything else on the road.

[Daemonslayer]

i made the hid conversion.
and must say every other rev6 standard beam looks like a complete joke to me.i can upload images if you want to see what i mean.
i also built in the hella beam adjuster and washer system.
so making this swap correct is a task but its possible.
i had to modify the rouge kit obviosly.it took me 2-3 tries but now i perfected it i guess.i even had to design new arms for the retracting engines to eliminate the shaking of the rogue kit.(the stock rogue kit is a great package but the arms have play on every kit i know here)
i dont know how its like in UK .but here in germany most new cars come out with HID systems.so iam not sure what you mean by too bright or so?
maybe its because some ubernoobs installed xenon bulbs into the H7 housing?i mean the xenon housing even uses other lenses..
i dont blind people with my hids-beacuse they are leveled correctly and illuminate the street not the sky.
i would never never go back to h7 in my life after that swap.
in fact the hella xenon modules are not cheap.one cost me 350 Euro.thats 700Euro for both without nothing.no ballast and no nice gas discharge bulbs.
so after all if you want xenon - and i mean not that ebay cheap "i put some bulb in a too small H7 housing" - then you must plan to put in like 2000 Euros for all the system.I know lots of guys who say its possible cheaper.sure it is .-but it depends on how serious you go on that modification.
if you want to do it right you must stuck with hella components all the way.
if youre extremly lucky you get the Hella Xenon modules on ebay.
dont be mad on my posting or so - iam just a bit tired of xenon threads ending in guys who put some HID kits in the stock MR2 Housings saying it blinds other people.

[Rogue]

i even had to design new arms for the retracting engines to eliminate the shaking of the rogue kit.(the stock rogue kit is a great package but the arms have play on every kit i know here)
i dont know how its like in UK.

If the lamps are shaking then they've not been installed correctly. The final step in the instructions describes the installation of a threaded rod. In the fully up position this rod presses firmly against the standard bump stop (the only part of the standard mechanism that you had to modify) and secures the lamp. The beam should be absolutely rock solid.

I'd be interested to see the modifications you've made for remote cleaning and self levelling.

[Daemonslayer]

Rogue,
yeah i did the trick with the threaded rod - and its the only way to get this right.But after a while my rod got used to the bending.So i had to go this route.the kit is great but missing some improvement.
to the pictures - iam in a turbo swap right now so lot of parts are disasembled but i can try to look what i got on my harddrive.
for the washers i use audistyle popup washers.the headlight adjuster is the hella one with the 2 infrared sensors on front and rear.those sensors are the same as used on parkassist systems on mercedes as far as i can tell.
The Ecu is set with a magnet.i dont know why they used this method..beacuse it sucks a bit.a switch for saving settins would have been much easier.so after installing you have to tell the Ecu for the xenon - what is the "loaded" status of the vehicle and whats the "empty" status of the vehicle.-so for example you put heavy stuff in your trunk and let the headlight beam downlevel itself to match the correct hight (measure on wall) then you set this as "loaded" if you continue so on the system stores the situations and voila you have a dynamic leveling system.it just kicks ass if you turn your headlights on..
i post some images i found random on my harddrive.
it shows my first noob attemt to build in the leveling motors.which was a total failure.first you had no place-second it was a shaky system.so i had to go to version 2 whicch i miss images.
the version 2 is just insane let me tell you that.instead of trying to adjust the whole front.i just go for the modules..i have a freind who did me some nice connecting rods from the modules to my leveling motors ..so this really was a serious swap


compare those normal Rev 6 with my HID setup and you know the reason :

1st version of my pull up arms of the rogue kit - with vibration softening materials choosen by a specialist.here you have 3 kind of materials.2 metals and 1 special ruber bearing ,as you compare those with the Toyota ones you will see they are similar indeed.Toyota also uses an Alloy material for the rod and a plastic surroundig for the bearing-bolts.to avoid the vibrations lead to the beam.in second version we used rounded heads instead of those silver square boxes to get more place and for slipping asside cables that are nearby better if the pop in the way (car vibrations and stuff you never know) the xenon wires (thick cable does not like sharp edged parts...) :

here is the first looser attempt for the motors.after a while i figured out i had to go another route: