5284

[Jim-SR]

in 1990 id imagine the cars were all made in 1989 and just carried over as stock though? might be why theres no 1990. by those MR2 Only figures it means there is almost a 40% survival rate! thats pretty good going. considering ive owned 4, and of the 4 one is already scrapped, 2 are on their way there, and only 1 of them is still in use lol. id imagine there are quite a lot that are on SORN at present too, maybe another 1000-2000 at a guess. so potentially over 50% still in existence.

[WeirdNeville]

That number seems a little high to me.

I use the PNC daily, and I assume this is the system used to generate the number. Do you know exaclty how they conducted the search? I ask this because I know that cars remain on the DVLA database for a long time after scrapping, to prevent ringing and things like that. Unless the filters were set correctly (and that's no mean feat as PNC is a horrific system to interrogate) I suspect that you may have swept up many cars that have been scrapped. AFAIK there is no easy way to filter for cars that have current "tax" and the registered keeper will always be shown as the last keeper of the car, cars are never "unregistered" any more....


Hmmmmm

[Swiss Toni]

That number seems a little high to me.

I use the PNC daily, and I assume this is the system used to generate the number. Do you know exaclty how they conducted the search? I ask this because I know that cars remain on the DVLA database for a long time after scrapping, to prevent ringing and things like that. Unless the filters were set correctly (and that's no mean feat as PNC is a horrific system to interrogate) I suspect that you may have swept up many cars that have been scrapped. AFAIK there is no easy way to filter for cars that have current "tax" and the registered keeper will always be shown as the last keeper of the car, cars are never "unregistered" any more....


Hmmmmm

Afternoon

I also use the PNC daily....

Records remain inactive with DVLA for some time (3 or 5 years?) before they become "Void". I am satisfied that the filters set were as tight as they reasonably could be - valid VEL and SORN'd to capture the cars that are either currently legally on the road or could be used on the road (in theory!) ie valid SORN.

Quite true that a car involved in an accident or which fails its MOT could be included in that figure, but there is not a lot you can do to remove those until either it is scrapped or VEL is refunded/expires.

I think the figure is about as accurate as we are going to get - and working it as 1 for every 11000 of the population, it "feels" about right for the cars in my local town and others I have spoken to too.

A further check in 12 months will be interesting...!

[Jim-SR]

That number seems a little high to me.

I use the PNC daily, and I assume this is the system used to generate the number. Do you know exaclty how they conducted the search? I ask this because I know that cars remain on the DVLA database for a long time after scrapping, to prevent ringing and things like that. Unless the filters were set correctly (and that's no mean feat as PNC is a horrific system to interrogate) I suspect that you may have swept up many cars that have been scrapped. AFAIK there is no easy way to filter for cars that have current "tax" and the registered keeper will always be shown as the last keeper of the car, cars are never "unregistered" any more....


Hmmmmm

Afternoon

I also use the PNC daily....

Records remain inactive with DVLA for some time (3 or 5 years?) before they become "Void". I am satisfied that the filters set were as tight as they reasonably could be - valid VEL and SORN'd to capture the cars that are either currently legally on the road or could be used on the road (in theory!) ie valid SORN.

Quite true that a car involved in an accident or which fails its MOT could be included in that figure, but there is not a lot you can do to remove those until either it is scrapped or VEL is refunded/expires.

I think the figure is about as accurate as we are going to get - and working it as 1 for every 11000 of the population, it "feels" about right for the cars in my local town and others I have spoken to too.

A further check in 12 months will be interesting...!

there are about 10,000 people in my village. and there are at least 7 AW11's that i know of lol

[Swiss Toni]

No documents, I got the reply by email.

The figure won't include SORN'd cars - I wanted a realistic figure of useable cars so figured that there were fewer SORN'd than registered and not taxed (eg scrapped but DVLA not informed - cars can be "inactive" for 3-5 years before the record drops off).

36000 was a figure for the number sold by Toyota I read elsewhere.

Thanks for the reply

I agree there will be fewer cars Sorn..but there will still be a fair few (eg I have three Mk1s at the moment, two are Sorn.

I wouldn't mind soms clarification on the 36,000 figure.. anyone know for sure?

again though, good work

Cheers

I think you are right.

36000 Mk1s imported does look high.

I found this;

http://www.mr2mk1club.com/_newsite/inde ... age=mr2mk1

It looks like they have taken the figure upto 1999 - so including Mk2s too.

A figure of 16000 Mk1s imported looks more likely.

Cheers!

[WeirdNeville]

So that's a maximum sold?
From this page and this one, Sales Figures for the MK1 MR2 in the UK were as follows:

1984: 519
1985: 2065
1986: 2302
1987: 2907
1988: 2910
1989: 3323
1990: Perhaps a thousand or so cars sold off to make way for the MK2?

So I make that a total of 15,026 as a generous total which tallys with 16,000 imported.

With that in mind as a starting figure, I think that 5,000 cars still in existance in the UK, 20 years on and with the rust problems we all know about is wildly optomistic - over 30%?

It's not impossible, but knowing what I know about where the figures came from, I can't help but think that 5,000 cars is far too many. I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere between one and two thousand left on the road, and perhaps half that again in hedgerows and garages across the land....

[Tiny]

Swiss Toni
Weird Neville

Why dont you both misapropriate some search time into the PNC and see what answers you both get back it would be interesting to see what you both come back with against the "official" answer.

[Swiss Toni]

Because he would be sacked for doing it, is probably the best answer - and finding out who searched for information is one of the PNCs most useful tools.

[WeirdNeville]

Because he would be sacked for doing it, is probably the best answer - and finding out who searched for information is one of the PNCs most useful tools.

This.
Chucking searches about that return 1,000 hits is probably one of the easiest ways to get sacked.

I mean, I love my car and all, but.... It's just a step too far.

[Mark1JZ]

Hello fellow 20yr old rwd Toyota enthusiasts!
greetings from the mk3 supra clan!

This is a very interesting thread! To think you can drag information kicking and screaming out of the government and sidestep the *truly* extortionate price tags they quote, just to put you off.

We have a thread going over at our forum (www.mkiiisupra.net) along similar lines , apart from we havent got the result yet.
We found a place that will give us a number for £250 , and are about to club together.

If Swiss Toni could give us a few pointers on how he pulled this off, that'd be brilliant!

Which Police force did you contact?
All by email?
Did you pay the Freedom of Information act £10?
etc

btw that looks like a hell of a nice car (and garage) Toni!

[Charged]

Mark, you may be better of sending a PM to Swiss Toni as he may miss the thread

[kaiowas]

More data has come to light.

As a result of an FOI request VOSA have been forced to report on MOT failure rates. The data they've given is pretty detailed and allows you to work out no end of stuff with sufficient analysis. The data is from 2007 (apparently 2008 and 2009 will be made available soon along with updates on an annual basis) There's basically a breakdown by model and year of how many cars passed and failed as well as roughtly what the failures were for.

Here's the BBC story and the data:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/opensecrets/ ... eased.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/opensecrets/ ... p_2007.xls

And heres some mk1 relevant highlights:
Year of First Use / Number of Passes / Number of Fails
1984 1 1
1985 131 122
1986 260 227
1987 420 375
1988 613 568
1989 741 690

Suggesting anything between 1425 and 2166 mk1s passed MOT in 2007 (depending on how many 1989 cars are mk2s) along with another 1293 to 1983 which failed (any number of which may have subsequently been retested and passed) giving a total range of anywhere between 1425 and 4149 cars still going.

From the failure information you can see that the most common failure areas are brakes, suspension and lighting with body and structural failures being surprisingly uncommon considering how rust prone these cars are.

[tonigmr2]

/ignore my first effort.

Are those figures above number registered per year?