[Mk2] [Turbo] Unichip - Rev3 Turbo & Mapping

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Chumbaside
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[Mk2] [Turbo] Unichip - Rev3 Turbo & Mapping

Post by Chumbaside »

Hi Guys,

Have done a search, and am even more confused now (!) so a couple of questions :D

1) I have bought a secondhand Unichip and boost module. Do I use the boost module for my Rev3 and remove my HKS EBC?

2) Where, in your experience, is best for Unichip mapping? Noble want £400 to fit and map the unit :shock:

The reason I am confused is that whilst searching the forums I have read posts that say the Unichip can control boost / can't control boost etc, coupled with Noble telling me to get rid of by EBC and just use the Unichip with boost module :-k

What do you think? Is there any advantage to keeping the EBC and not using the boost module / removing ebc and running with boost module? Anyone any real world experinece of either setup?

Thanks in advance!

Mark
Andy K
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Unichip - Rev3 Turbo & Mapping

Post by Andy K »

Hi Mark,

If you already have a good EBC, then use that to control boost.
Use the unichip to control fuelling and ignition, and dont use the boost control module.

I was in exactly the same situation as you, and learn't so much from Dino about Unichips I hope he won't mind me quoting him below.

I bought a ex mr2 unichip and boost control module for a lot of money, then sold it and bought a ex 200sx unichip for about £35 quid which I then used. Not a prob as long as it's the same type, as It'll be wiped by the tuner anyway.

Anyway all you need to know about Unichips From Dino.....

Hi Andy,

OK, here goes an explanation on the Unichip's boost and other
features...

Basically, if the Unichip is to control boost, what it does is pulse a
boost solenoid of some kind. In the case of the MR2, this is most likely
to be the stock VSV.

Now, the Unichip itself holds the map for the boost control, which is
just a duty cycle at any given RPM. It is NOT closed loop, but if set
properly, should work pretty well, although it won't compensate for
different conditions like some good closed loop aftermarket boost
controllers. Also, since you don't have access to change any of the
settings in the Unichip, it means that you have to have a remap just to
make a change to the boost. This isn't a bad thing, as it means that you
can get the car set up properly each time, but it isn't as handy as most
aftermarket BCs.

Even thought the Unichip holds the map for the boost control, it
requires a device that will "drive" the solenoid. This is what the boost
module is. Imagine it as a device driver, as the Unichip on its own
doesn't have the power to drive this device. Other devices that the
module can be used for are:
* mappable Water Injection
* Extra injectors
* shift lights (I think!)
etc

Geoff was incorrect in saying that, if you use the Blitz controller for
boost, this would free up the output from the Unichip so that you can
drive other devices. The Unichip has separate maps for WI and boost, so
you can run both simultaneously, although you'd need one module for each
device you want to drive.

What may have confused Geoff is that the WI map in the Unichip is really
designed to work with systems like the ERL 2c. Essentially, the Unichip
will only drive the WI on the induction stroke (a clever little touch!).
The problem occurs when you try to drive another WI system, such as Paul
Port's kits (Paul may have changed this though - I'm not sure!).
Basically, with Paul's original systems, the Unichip would only drive it
on the induction stroke, and hence you weren't able to get the full flow
of water that you'd want. Hence, the way we worked around this on mine
was to use the Unichip's boost map to control the WI instead (since it
would drive the boost output at all times, not just on the induction
stroke).

Another thing to explain is that there are 2 types of modules that are
available for the Unichip:
* one WITH an internal MAP sensor
* one WITHOUT an internal MAP sensor

Now, some tuners (eg Nobles) use the former so that they can map an
engine that is boosting above the Fuel Cut point. Obviously, if you're
running more boost than the fuel cut point, you are having to "clamp"
the FC signal, so neither the stock ECU or Unichip see the extra boost
over that FC point. By using the internal MAP sensor of the module, the
mapper can use the reading from that MAP sensor to give better
resolution when mapping at boost levels above Fuel Cut.

Finally, here's my personal advice, Andy. Use the Blitz boost controller
(it's one of the best around!), and the Unichip will just control
fueling and ignition. If at any point you want to run more boost than
the FC point, then use the module. Also, this module can be used to
drive any other device that you might need in the future, eg WI or even
an additional injector.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Dino



HTH
Andy
Chumbaside
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Unichip - Rev3 Turbo & Mapping

Post by Chumbaside »

Thanks for that Andy. Very comprehensive!

I was chatting to Jay at Millway today, and he suggested using the boost mdoule and removing my boost controller because this provides easier integration with the unichip. I have an HKS EVC3, so not a new model, but it does the job, and I actually like having control over the boost myself. Maybe that's the answer - keep the EBC. So much conflicting advice...... ](*,)

As a side note, Millway have quoted £235 for fitting, mapping and a before and after run on the dyno. When I phoned Noble, they wanted £200ex vat for mapping and 3 hours @£45/hour ex vat for fitting! Seems an amazing difference for doing the same job :-k

I think I will make the 4 hour round trip to Andover and save myself £200 :D I would fit the Unichip before I go (already got the wiring diagrams) but I don't know what map is already in the chip and I don't want my car going pop on the way!

Cheers

Mark
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Unichip - Rev3 Turbo & Mapping

Post by mcoppen »

Very interesting reading. I have a unichip with boost module i brought second hand from leon on here. Was going to buy an ebc, but if the unichip will do it then i wont bother for the time being. Have no desire to change the boost, will leave it at 1.2bar, so sounds like the module is perfect for this. Will be off to millway to, as they aren't to far away from me, and at £235, thats amazing value.
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