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hhhmmmm???

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is it just me or is anyone else a bit confused over whats going on here?
maybe i have missed something but i am reffering to the recent upgrade of particular moderators to commitee member status.
I'm guessing not everybody has noticed yet as i'm quite surprised its not been mentioned yet?
Are these members that have been upgraded not the same members that WHERE NOT voted in in the first place?
sorry if you think i'm being a bit funny admins but i am a little disheartened/dissapointed at these recent appointments
I would much rather have seen, and i'm sure others will agree, that the upgraded mods remain as mods (along with the new appointments) and then a further vote taken place to determin which mods are to become comittee members, as it happens you seem to have taken that vote all on your own [-X
democracy eh? :thumbdown: :-$ :-#
big up to the new monarchy of imoc =D>
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Well actually this was mentioned a good month ago in the post on the general section when current admins took on various roles. Then we had the elections for the new admins ie events adn membership.

We could have had our positions listed:
Ben- Chairman
Lauren- Vice-Chair
Toni- Treasurer
Patrick- Secretary
Dale- moderation admin
Esmond Site admin

These moderator elections were never designed to replace the existing admin team, rather they are here to allow the admin team to get on with the other stuff that goes with formalising the club.. For example since we've been charging for premium membership and affiliate fees we have been generating income (its all non-profit) so we have had to get on with moving the club on so basically we needed help with moderation.

For example i spent this afternoon doing my part in terms of becoming a signatory for the new IMOC bank account.

We also have constitutional stuff that we need to sort out (this is primarily what ben adn i are currently involved in for example) in order to get the club going in the right direction so that we can offer the kind of services people expect from a successful club.

as you know Alex and Anna are sorting the membership stuff out and Tom has taken on the role of getting the events into some sort of order and planning for the future.

We opted to use the title "IMOC Committee" under our names rather than stating our individual positions because we form a part of a committee collectively.

We were never just moderators and half the problem was we spent nearly all our time moderating which got in the way of sorting the other more pressing issues out.

I think you have misunderstood.

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Lauren wrote:Lauren- Vice-Chair


this is my point
please dont take this personally anybody, i have no problem with any of you and think your all great O:)
can someone answer me this though? how did the mods that have just been appointed new roles become mods in the first place? (bar ben and esmond for obvious reasons) as i dont remember there ever being a vote previously. Fair enough i was away for a few months and may have missed it and please do correct me if i'm wrong but am i not right that there was no vote? ie - the roles where self appointed? and now one is vice chair :-k
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quigonjay wrote:
Lauren wrote:Lauren- Vice-Chair


this is my point
please dont take this personally anybody, i have no problem with any of you and think your all great O:)
can someone answer me this though? how did the mods that have just been appointed new roles become mods in the first place? (bar ben and esmond for obvious reasons) as i dont remember there ever being a vote previously. Fair enough i was away for a few months and may have missed it and please do correct me if i'm wrong but am i not right that there was no vote? ie - the roles where self appointed? and now one is vice chair :-k


I think this was done a while back on the old site. I think they were the few that put their names forward or something similar. Thats when/how they became mods.
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Hi Jay,

I'm only going to comment on the bit I know about. When I was nominated to run for Event Administrator it was clearly stated that this was a Committee member position. It was also mentioned at the time that there would be elections for moderator positions shortly. The primary objective of the Event Administrator position is not to be a moderator although anyone in a Committee member position can and should moderate if first on the scene, if you know what I mean.

The title under the particular username has now been changed to reflect this.

As far as the previous positions I understand there was a vote at the end of the old list. And to be honest with you they were the people elected to run the show so names at the time didn't really mean anything, it doesn't really make any difference: moderator, committee member, whatever. All that's happened in the moderator elections is that there are more people actively moderating meaning that the previously elected people can concentrate a bit more on policy and stuff like that, that's all....

Please remember that this Forum is growing at a rapid pace! A huge amount of work goes on in the background. I was absolutely astonished when I first joined and first had access to the Admins Forum!

Best regards,

Tom
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ENSMR2 wrote:I think this was done a while back on the old site. I think they were the few that put their names forward or something similar. Thats when/how they became mods.


if this is the case then i will be eating lots of humble pie and going to to hide under a rock somewhere O:)
can anybody else confirm this is how it was?
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Icsunonove wrote:Hi Jay,

I'm only going to comment on the bit I know about. When I was nominated to run for Event Administrator it was clearly stated that this was a Committee member position. It was also mentioned at the time that there would be elections for moderator positions shortly. The primary objective of the Event Administrator position is not to be a moderator although anyone in a Committee member position can and should moderate if first on the scene, if you know what I mean.

The title under the particular username has now been changed to reflect this.

As far as the previous positions I understand there was a vote at the end of the old list. And to be honest with you they were the people elected to run the show so names at the time didn't really mean anything, it doesn't really make any difference: moderator, committee member, whatever. All that's happened in the moderator elections is that there are more people actively moderating meaning that the previously elected people can concentrate a bit more on policy and stuff like that, that's all....

Please remember that this Forum is growing at a rapid pace! A huge amount of work goes on in the background. I was absolutely astonished when I first joined and first had access to the Admins Forum!

Best regards,

Tom


Tom, dont get me wrong mate, i have no problem with either yourself, anna, or speedy becoming commitee members as you where recently voted into these positions :)
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Jay wrote:can anybody else confirm this is how it was?


Me! :D
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Icsunonove wrote:
Jay wrote:can anybody else confirm this is how it was?


Me! :D


so where they actually voted in by members of the club or did they just put there names forward and where given moderator roles?
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Can't rmember exactly. But I think they were the ONLY ones to put their manes forward so no voting was necessary.

I think thats how it happened. Can't remember as it was so long ago now.

Maybe one of them will elabourate.
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ENSMR2 wrote:Can't rmember exactly. But I think they were the ONLY ones to put their manes forward so no voting was necessary.

I think thats how it happened. Can't remember as it was so long ago now.

Maybe one of them will elabourate.


Yes that is true.
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ENSMR2 wrote:......to put their manes forward....


Classic Enis! PMSL! :mrgreen:
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PMSL.

Sorry guys, not implying you are all lions lol. :eye:

I'm not well and an early start just doesn't go down well with me at the moment!

I won't edit cos it's the best laugh I've had so far! lol

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Some of the existing "IMOC Committee" assumed the positions because they were old time moderators from the Yahoo list, others became moderators and then commitee by association with others and some were voted on by members a while ago.

I think it's fair to say that the majority of the people in these roles would be voted on by the members anyway but there might also be some changes, I brought all this up when it was first announced - I got told I was a 'twit'.
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poyntesm wrote:
ENSMR2 wrote:Can't rmember exactly. But I think they were the ONLY ones to put their manes forward so no voting was necessary.

I think thats how it happened. Can't remember as it was so long ago now.

Maybe one of them will elabourate.


Yes that is true.


hardly the same as being voted in is it?
for example, lets say there was only one political party standing for election, the government would hardly say well what the hell, nobody else is standing, just give them the job?
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Jay,

[Admin hat off] Just to say this..... Whatever you think about the way it was done, the people who have run the show up to now have done a brilliant job (in my humble opinion). You simply would not believe the amount of work that goes on in the background.[/Admin hat off]

Jay,

Please explain the point in posting this? I am just curious, what would you like to happen? Please don't take this the wrong way, I am just curious... :-k

Best regards, Tom
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Post by poyntesm »

quigonjay wrote:hardly the same as being voted in is it?
for example, lets say there was only one political party standing for election, the government would hardly say well what the hell, nobody else is standing, just give them the job?


[admin hat off]
Ok..but when they asked people to come forward it was for positions that needed filling. The website admin was what I stood for.

No one else came forward. Aidy had done it in the past but had moved on from the MR2 scene. At that time IMOC would often go off the air for a while. So they could have done nothing and let the site just die and with it the main focal point for the community or get someone new on board...so I think taking someone on without a vote was the correct thing to do for the club.

I have always said I would love others to get involved on the web side. I do not consider this my own site. It is the communitys. Some people do not understand that running a large forum is very different to running a small forum. It takes time and effort.

If the members all said they wanted to vote on my position...personally I would be more than happy to have a vote.
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michael wrote:I think it's fair to say that the majority of the people in these roles would be voted on by the members anyway but there might also be some changes, I brought all this up when it was first announced - I got told I was a 'twit'.


i guess this is my point, there may or MAY NOT have been changes had the previous mods been made to stand for election again. With there being so many members on the forum now i doubt it would ever happen again where a vote was not needed due to lack of interest. I just find it a little dissapointing that a non voted in member is now vice chair and will always be above those that where voted in
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Icsunonove wrote:I am just curious, what would you like to happen? Please don't take this the wrong way, I am just curious... :-k

Best regards, Tom


not taken the wrong way at all tom, we are just discussing our views :mrgreen:
ok, let me ask this (to all admin), if things where to remain as they are at the moment would it mean that the comittee members would always be that as long as they wanted the position and will never have to stand for election?

personally, since you ask tom, what i would like to see is an annual review of ALL positions. ie - A 'are we happy with current comittee members/mods' sort of senario
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quigonjay wrote:
what i would like to see is an annual review of ALL positions. ie - A 'are we happy with current comittee members/mods' sort of senario


I agreee, all positions should be voted for by the members on a regular basis rather than assumed.
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