Browsing ebay the other day and stumbled across these alloys. Now obviously these are copies, based on the volk TE37 style.
Now my question is, what could be the differences between these and the real Volks, yea, you lose the 'genuine' factor, but at an additional £1500 who really cares!
Could they be structurally better? Deeper Colours etc? I am struggling to see why someone would spend an additional £1500?
Volk TE37s
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Re: Volk TE37s
Genuine TE37s are pretty light; my front 17x7 TE37s weigh less than my 15x7 RP01s (which are good wheels in their own right!). I doubt the copies are anywhere near as light...
Also, TE37s look darn awesome!
Also, TE37s look darn awesome!
Re: Volk TE37s
Bar a bit of a weight difference... £1500?!
Getting tempted to buy the 'fakes' if thats all there is..
(offset the weight with a bigger turbo!)
Getting tempted to buy the 'fakes' if thats all there is..
(offset the weight with a bigger turbo!)
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Re: Volk TE37s
The construction of the genuine volks will undoubtedly be better. However this often seems to mean if you hit a kerb sideways or whatever, you'll badly bend your alloy as opposed to snapping it. Is that actually a good thing? How much would you even trust a repaired, badly damaged rim...
Go genuine if it is possible for you, if not, no real harm in a fake. It's only a wheel.
Go genuine if it is possible for you, if not, no real harm in a fake. It's only a wheel.
Re: Volk TE37s
The TE37's are forged, copies are cast, this makes a big difference in terms of weight and strength of the wheels. Material used, finish and quality control, all far superior.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Armx02_R7Y0
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Armx02_R7Y0
Re: Volk TE37s
The copy is the Rota or Varrstoen type I assume?
Decent enough, but no they are not the same thing.
Volks are forged and made in Japan.
Rotas are cast and made in the Phillipines.
Varrstoen are cast and originate states way but exactly where is difficult to say.
They don't have the same strength or lightness. YMMV for normal road use, but some people feel strongly about design copying...
Just don't buy a replica and put a volk sticker on it! That's too sad.
Decent enough, but no they are not the same thing.
Volks are forged and made in Japan.
Rotas are cast and made in the Phillipines.
Varrstoen are cast and originate states way but exactly where is difficult to say.
They don't have the same strength or lightness. YMMV for normal road use, but some people feel strongly about design copying...
Just don't buy a replica and put a volk sticker on it! That's too sad.
Re: Volk TE37s
Wheel lightness isn't the end of the world for a "normal" road car. I guess it depends how special you want your car to be?
+1
Just don't buy a replica and put a volk sticker on it! That's too sad.
+1
Re: Volk TE37s
It could be Inovit wheels also as they do a set called the STVI I believe, Easily noticeable though as they're cheap (dirt cheap) and they're multi drilled.
It's got to the point that they've copied Rota who have copied Rays
Oh dear lol
A friend of mine had them on his Celica though with no issues if it makes a difference.
I've had Rota's myself and couldn't fault them if I'm honest
It's got to the point that they've copied Rota who have copied Rays
Oh dear lol
A friend of mine had them on his Celica though with no issues if it makes a difference.
I've had Rota's myself and couldn't fault them if I'm honest
Re: Volk TE37s
Just don't buy a replica and put a volk sticker on it! That's too sad.
That come with the volk stickers / center cap though
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Re: Volk TE37s
shinny wrote:Wheel lightness isn't the end of the world for a "normal" road car. I guess it depends how special you want your car to be?
Just don't buy a replica and put a volk sticker on it! That's too sad.
+1
From the std wheels you do feel a difference with a good set of lightweight ones tho.
I'd rather buy a set of genuine secondhand alloys and pay a bit of money to get them up to scratch than buy knockoff ones.
Re: Volk TE37s
I forgot Inovit! I think they are Chinese.
I agree I don't think lightness will really be felt by the average driver.
The only time it would really matter would be a kerb/wheel interaction where the cheaper copies will come off worse.
Doesn't mean you have to use them.
(That's also a breach of copyright and needs reporting to ebay...)
I agree I don't think lightness will really be felt by the average driver.
The only time it would really matter would be a kerb/wheel interaction where the cheaper copies will come off worse.
l1ca wrote:Just don't buy a replica and put a volk sticker on it! That's too sad.
That come with the volk stickers / center cap though
Doesn't mean you have to use them.
(That's also a breach of copyright and needs reporting to ebay...)
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Re: Volk TE37s
I have the copies - INOVIT ST16 and bought the car and wheels and tyres for less than £1500.
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/garage.php ... e_id=19535.
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/garage.php ... _id=19535.
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/garage.php ... e_id=19535.
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/garage.php ... _id=19535.
Re: Volk TE37s
Race Idiot wrote:From the std wheels you do feel a difference with a good set of lightweight ones tho.
I'm not saying there isn't a difference, because there clearly is and you can feel it. However my point is that it won't ruin the car to stick something heavier on... provided you're happy for your car to being at best average in terms of handling and performance, rather than something a bit more special.
Race Idiot wrote:I'd rather buy a set of genuine secondhand alloys and pay a bit of money to get them up to scratch than buy knockoff ones.
So would I... but even secondhand TE37s are not exactly cheap!
Re: Volk TE37s
Oh and another thing, JWL/VIA certification is something these wheels often claim to have. That is almost certainly a complete lie. First, that's only a standard for wheels for sale IN Japan, and means nothing outside of it. Second, in order to get the standard they have to submit the wheels for testing to Japan - each size and each style. Even Rota don't do that....
Re: Volk TE37s
Just looked around ebay saw these...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4x-VOLK-RAYS- ... 3a8420db9f
Personally far too close to claiming to be the original thing, and I guarantee they are not quality tested by VIA standards. I fancy complaining to trading standards actually.
Everybody should realise there is no quality standard in the UK for alloy wheels. You take your life in your hands with cheap imported untested parts IMHO. Just my opinion.
Oh and ROTA are not immune either!
http://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-indu ... ducts.html
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4x-VOLK-RAYS- ... 3a8420db9f
Personally far too close to claiming to be the original thing, and I guarantee they are not quality tested by VIA standards. I fancy complaining to trading standards actually.
Everybody should realise there is no quality standard in the UK for alloy wheels. You take your life in your hands with cheap imported untested parts IMHO. Just my opinion.
Oh and ROTA are not immune either!
http://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-indu ... ducts.html
Re: Volk TE37s
Rays and other premium wheel manufacturers put a lot of research and development into their wheel designs. The wheels are designed to be light in weight but strong enough to pass stringent quality standards. The wheel spokes, rims and hubs are all designed/engineered to be made from specific materials and use certain manufacturing processes.
So when a company makes a copy of the wheel design but uses inferior materials, casts the wheels instead and does not follow the same quality controls, the wheels can be down right dangerous.
This video is a bit cheesy but illustrates the difference in strength between a properly designed/engineered/manufactured wheel and a cheap knock off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJeFB6SRslk
So when a company makes a copy of the wheel design but uses inferior materials, casts the wheels instead and does not follow the same quality controls, the wheels can be down right dangerous.
This video is a bit cheesy but illustrates the difference in strength between a properly designed/engineered/manufactured wheel and a cheap knock off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJeFB6SRslk
Re: Volk TE37s
Hmm - I havent heard anything about INOVIT's breaking but plenty about powder coated wheels breaking....
http://bbs.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyres-a ... ldren.html
http://bbs.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyres-a ... ldren.html
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Re: Volk TE37s
I think there is a line between Rota and Volk, but IMO there is also a line between Rota and companies like Inovit.
Rota do have some standards, and I think are becoming a more legit wheel company. They make videos about their wheels and such - they do seem to actually care about the product. Yes, they have blatantly copied Volk TE37s, Advan RGIIs, Desmond Regameisters, Work CR Kais, etc. etc., but they have also modified and played with the designs in some senses. For example, the Grid Drifts, or the GTR-Ds are modified 'classics'.
All that said, I'd still rather have my Advans than a set of Wolfrace replicas.
Rota do have some standards, and I think are becoming a more legit wheel company. They make videos about their wheels and such - they do seem to actually care about the product. Yes, they have blatantly copied Volk TE37s, Advan RGIIs, Desmond Regameisters, Work CR Kais, etc. etc., but they have also modified and played with the designs in some senses. For example, the Grid Drifts, or the GTR-Ds are modified 'classics'.
All that said, I'd still rather have my Advans than a set of Wolfrace replicas.
Re: Volk TE37s
I've have had the Inovit replica of the RE30 wheels on the MX5 for over 2 years. I bought them second hand but virtually new - primarily for the tyres that were mounted to them with the sale.
I was surprised to find the quality of them was pretty decent for what is a very cheap alloy - although it is possible that I was just lucky.
All 4 balanced up really easily with very little weight needed to balance them up. Nowadays I always watch the tyre being balanced as I've found over the years when I don't then the tyre fitters will very often cheat and just stick a single weight or two on the inside somewhere for show, lol. In fact the guy who balanced them commented on how well balanced they were.
Weight wise I have the 16x7s and they weigh approx. 6.5 to 7kg each which is reasonably light for that alloy size.
They have survived some very harsh knocks too (or maybe they just felt harsh because I was in the MX5, lol).
I have buckled a genuine TE37 rolling over some unexpected rocky debris on the motorway before, so they are strong but that won't always save you
I was surprised to find the quality of them was pretty decent for what is a very cheap alloy - although it is possible that I was just lucky.
All 4 balanced up really easily with very little weight needed to balance them up. Nowadays I always watch the tyre being balanced as I've found over the years when I don't then the tyre fitters will very often cheat and just stick a single weight or two on the inside somewhere for show, lol. In fact the guy who balanced them commented on how well balanced they were.
Weight wise I have the 16x7s and they weigh approx. 6.5 to 7kg each which is reasonably light for that alloy size.
They have survived some very harsh knocks too (or maybe they just felt harsh because I was in the MX5, lol).
I have buckled a genuine TE37 rolling over some unexpected rocky debris on the motorway before, so they are strong but that won't always save you