Just thought I'd post up how I fitted folding mirrors to my UK car.
Not quite plug n play as fitting to a JDM car, but still not *that* difficult.
I've submitted a how-to to the Knowledge Base, but as I've no idea when this will (or if) become visible, I'll post it after this.
Some things that I didn't include in the guide is the initial installation and the things that failed (and will be completely meaningless to anyone unless they're planning doing this mod themselves)...
Firstly, I started out with JDM door looms, wired up the mirrors with the 7-pin connectors - then disaster - the JDM drivers side door loom was knackered - no power to the door switch. This turned out to be a blessing however. Because I realised, after studying the wiring diagrams some more, the installation would be much much simpler using the original UK door looms.
I also had a door switch unit that didn't output 12V (or any leccy at all) when the retract button was pressed. Upon taking the unit to bits, turnout out the plastic button wasn't making contact properly with the switch inside - simply rotated the button 90 degrees and it worked (I suspect someone had taken it apart before me and not put it back right).
Also had the mirror retract relay only retract one mirror, and make funny noises when un-retracting!!! This I figured wasn't normal, so got another - woo - everything now worked
The hardest part was removing the wing mirrors from the car.
The most difficult part to source will be the connector for the retract relay - infact I've never seen one for sale. But anyone breaking a JDM would have one.
One other part that might be tricky, is the wire that needs putting into the door loom connector for the door/window switch - I was lucky in that I had the old JDM door loom. But if anyone plans to do this mod then I'll be able to supply them with a wire that will push straight into the door loom connector (I have only limited numbers of these though).
That's it really, don't be put off by how long the guide is. It's not that difficult
[Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
Needed:
- Pair of JDM retracting wing mirrors (any colour).
- JDM door switch unit with retract button.
- Mirror retract relay.
- M6 nut for retract relay (or Toyota part #90179-06100)
- Connector for retract relay (the connector that plugs into the blue headlight relay is the same - but I don't know if it uses the same amount of pins/wires).
- Coloured wiring (having different colours is optional, but it helps).
- Electrical tape.
- New mirror screws (in case your old ones dont come out easily) (Toyota part #90149-50051, theres 6 of them).
Tools:
- Cross-head screwdriver.
- Wire strippers/cutters.
- Soldering iron + solder (optional).
- A tool for threading wire (old wire coat hanger should do).
- Dremel or similar (in case your mirror screws dont come out easily).
What you DON'T need:
- JDM retract door looms (unlike adding retract mirrors to a JDM car, on a UK car this is much easier using the existing door looms).
First, remove your door cards. This link is a superb guide for doing so -
http://www.turbomr2.com/MR2/HowTo/Door% ... el_PG1.htm
Next, remove your wing mirrors.
Remove these 3 screws (bare in mind that these screws are coated with Loctite so may need heating up)
If the cross-headed screws get chewed up, you can use a Dremel to cut a groove across it and use a flat bladed screwdriver. If you have trouble getting your Dremel to the screws whilst on the car, you can easily remove the mirror & bracket completely (the 3 cross-head screws still need to be removed though) this bracket is held onto the door with 3 hex-bolts. Also, dont forget to unplug the tweeter and 5-pin mirror connector.
Now remove the mirror glass from all mirrors by pulling outwards from the bottom of the mirror. The photo below shows the clips at the bottom of the glass in green, and the hooks at the top in purple.
Remove the connector for the heater element on the UK mirror glass.
Remove the insides from all mirror casings. Undo the 4 screws below in each mirror.
Remove the loom intact from the UK mirrors the 5-pin connector is too big to fit through the hole in the metal triangular part. So we have to unplug the 2 small connectors that control the mirror position (NOTE: remember which connector goes to which part of the mirror position motor, you dont want your mirror glass moving up/down when you press left/right on the door unit). You may find this easier to do if you remove the mirror position motor from the bracket.
At this point you should have all mirrors disassembled and a pair of UK mirror looms. Now you need to add these looms onto the JDM mirror internals.
Remove the mini-connectors from the mirror position motor as you did with your UK mirrors. To remove these 3 wires (black, white and red) from the mirror assembly you need to unclip the folding motor plastic cover.
Then undo 2 small screws that hold a circuit board to the folding motor. Now you can feed the small connectors from the mirror position motor out through the centre of the folding motor unit.
Note: if the mini-connectors are too big to fit down the centre (Im unsure as my initial installation involved cutting the wires!!). So if theyre too big, you can use a thin screw driver in the 5 or 7 pin connector to push the wires out, then feed through the centre of the folding motor then push the wires back into the connector (remembering which wire went where!).
Now install the connectors & wires from your UK mirror in the same way as you just removed the JDM wires. Also, install the heater glass connector & wire this way too (making sure youve got enough fed through to allow the connector to be attached to the glass pic below). Attach the relevant connectors to the mirror position motor, and re-attached this motor to the bracket via the 4 screws.
Replace the folding motor cover.
Now the unit can be attached to your UK mirror casing (or JDM casing if its the correct colour for your car).
The JDM 7-pin connector is now useless to us. It should have the 3 mirror position wires (white, red & black) that arent connected to anything now, and the 4 wires for the folding motor (blue, green, brown & yellow). The 4 folding motor wires can now be cut from the connector.
In the photo below, ignore the joins I have in my 5 wires to the UK connector this is because I originally started the installation using JDM 7-pin connectors and JDM door looms a plan I scrapped after realising its easier keeping the UK parts.
We now need to extend the 4 wires from the folding motor. I extended them so theyd follow the main door loom all the way to the A-pillar, so around 125cm should do. How you extend these wires is up to you: connector blocks or soldering or crimping etc. I soldered them in my installation. Once extended, I put a covering over the wires, similar to what Toyota do to most of their wiring, in fact I used wire heat shrink but didnt apply any heat.
After that, the mirrors are ready to go back on the doors (using new screws if necessary), and dont forget the sponge that goes behind the tweeter.
Now remove the front part of the door looms. Remove the foot trim from along the sill its just held on with several poppers, and the part inside the foot well has a plastic screw cover thing.
Disconnect the door loom plugs (2 plugs at each A-pillar).
With the door looms disconnected, carefully feed them out of the car and through the door. On the drivers side youll find it easier to unscrew the bonnet release catch (its just 2 screws). We just need enough of the loom available to enable us to thread our new wires (for the folding motors) through inside the grommets. Youll need to unplug the main speaker connector thats inside the door just above the speaker.
On the drivers door loom, we need to add a new wire for the retract button. I was lucky in that I had an old broken JDM door loom, so I removed the wire from that (the infamous pink wire) and it simply pushed into the back of the UK connector. This goes into the front-most of the 2 connector blocks for the window/mirror switch unit.
This pink wire also had to be secured along the door loom and threaded through the grommets.
Below is a photo of threading a couple of wires through from an early installation (although this is from an early installation attempt, the final one was a little more difficult due to the 4 wires plus covering).
Now you can re-install the door loom through to the A-pillar. Dont forget to plug the speaker back in unlike me!!
Now install the mirror retract relay. Youll need to remove the panel underneath the steering wheel, just 4 screws at each corner, followed by unplugging your foglight buttons etc.
Then remove the lower part of the air duct that is now in view just one screw on the right.
If you look up, youll see theres a place for this relay to go next to an existing one. Heres how it looks once fitted.
Now the final hurdle, attaching your wires to the retract relay. Using some lengths of wire I made my own loom and attached this to the connector that I had for the relay (pic below). The loom I made, had 4 wires long enough to go from the retract relay to the passenger A-pillar, 5 wires (4 for retract motor, and 1 for retract button) long enough to the drivers A-pillar, then 2 more for the live and earth.
Here is a photo of my loom connected at the passenger A-pillar. Note that its only loosely attached to existing wires, just so it doesnt flap about or get tangled in your passengers feet!!
To know which wire from the mirror goes to which wire on the relay connector, follow the diagram below (paying particular attention to the wire colours as youll see that brown wire in pin 4 is actually greener than the green wire!!).
Here is my drivers A-pillar before joining up the wires. Note that when creating my new loom and extending the wires from the retract motors, I didnt have the correct coloured wire but I used coloured tape to avoid getting them mixed up.
Now, to sort the power, I attached the wire for the live to the cigar lighter, and the place I used for earth is circled below (its the screw hole that the trim panel uses). Also, once connected up, make sure you secure the wires so that they dont get in the way of the foot pedals.
And this is the ring type crimp I used on the earth wire to enable me to use the screw hole.
Thats all. Hopefully now youll have folding mirrors.
- Pair of JDM retracting wing mirrors (any colour).
- JDM door switch unit with retract button.
- Mirror retract relay.
- M6 nut for retract relay (or Toyota part #90179-06100)
- Connector for retract relay (the connector that plugs into the blue headlight relay is the same - but I don't know if it uses the same amount of pins/wires).
- Coloured wiring (having different colours is optional, but it helps).
- Electrical tape.
- New mirror screws (in case your old ones dont come out easily) (Toyota part #90149-50051, theres 6 of them).
Tools:
- Cross-head screwdriver.
- Wire strippers/cutters.
- Soldering iron + solder (optional).
- A tool for threading wire (old wire coat hanger should do).
- Dremel or similar (in case your mirror screws dont come out easily).
What you DON'T need:
- JDM retract door looms (unlike adding retract mirrors to a JDM car, on a UK car this is much easier using the existing door looms).
First, remove your door cards. This link is a superb guide for doing so -
http://www.turbomr2.com/MR2/HowTo/Door% ... el_PG1.htm
Next, remove your wing mirrors.
Remove these 3 screws (bare in mind that these screws are coated with Loctite so may need heating up)
If the cross-headed screws get chewed up, you can use a Dremel to cut a groove across it and use a flat bladed screwdriver. If you have trouble getting your Dremel to the screws whilst on the car, you can easily remove the mirror & bracket completely (the 3 cross-head screws still need to be removed though) this bracket is held onto the door with 3 hex-bolts. Also, dont forget to unplug the tweeter and 5-pin mirror connector.
Now remove the mirror glass from all mirrors by pulling outwards from the bottom of the mirror. The photo below shows the clips at the bottom of the glass in green, and the hooks at the top in purple.
Remove the connector for the heater element on the UK mirror glass.
Remove the insides from all mirror casings. Undo the 4 screws below in each mirror.
Remove the loom intact from the UK mirrors the 5-pin connector is too big to fit through the hole in the metal triangular part. So we have to unplug the 2 small connectors that control the mirror position (NOTE: remember which connector goes to which part of the mirror position motor, you dont want your mirror glass moving up/down when you press left/right on the door unit). You may find this easier to do if you remove the mirror position motor from the bracket.
At this point you should have all mirrors disassembled and a pair of UK mirror looms. Now you need to add these looms onto the JDM mirror internals.
Remove the mini-connectors from the mirror position motor as you did with your UK mirrors. To remove these 3 wires (black, white and red) from the mirror assembly you need to unclip the folding motor plastic cover.
Then undo 2 small screws that hold a circuit board to the folding motor. Now you can feed the small connectors from the mirror position motor out through the centre of the folding motor unit.
Note: if the mini-connectors are too big to fit down the centre (Im unsure as my initial installation involved cutting the wires!!). So if theyre too big, you can use a thin screw driver in the 5 or 7 pin connector to push the wires out, then feed through the centre of the folding motor then push the wires back into the connector (remembering which wire went where!).
Now install the connectors & wires from your UK mirror in the same way as you just removed the JDM wires. Also, install the heater glass connector & wire this way too (making sure youve got enough fed through to allow the connector to be attached to the glass pic below). Attach the relevant connectors to the mirror position motor, and re-attached this motor to the bracket via the 4 screws.
Replace the folding motor cover.
Now the unit can be attached to your UK mirror casing (or JDM casing if its the correct colour for your car).
The JDM 7-pin connector is now useless to us. It should have the 3 mirror position wires (white, red & black) that arent connected to anything now, and the 4 wires for the folding motor (blue, green, brown & yellow). The 4 folding motor wires can now be cut from the connector.
In the photo below, ignore the joins I have in my 5 wires to the UK connector this is because I originally started the installation using JDM 7-pin connectors and JDM door looms a plan I scrapped after realising its easier keeping the UK parts.
We now need to extend the 4 wires from the folding motor. I extended them so theyd follow the main door loom all the way to the A-pillar, so around 125cm should do. How you extend these wires is up to you: connector blocks or soldering or crimping etc. I soldered them in my installation. Once extended, I put a covering over the wires, similar to what Toyota do to most of their wiring, in fact I used wire heat shrink but didnt apply any heat.
After that, the mirrors are ready to go back on the doors (using new screws if necessary), and dont forget the sponge that goes behind the tweeter.
Now remove the front part of the door looms. Remove the foot trim from along the sill its just held on with several poppers, and the part inside the foot well has a plastic screw cover thing.
Disconnect the door loom plugs (2 plugs at each A-pillar).
With the door looms disconnected, carefully feed them out of the car and through the door. On the drivers side youll find it easier to unscrew the bonnet release catch (its just 2 screws). We just need enough of the loom available to enable us to thread our new wires (for the folding motors) through inside the grommets. Youll need to unplug the main speaker connector thats inside the door just above the speaker.
On the drivers door loom, we need to add a new wire for the retract button. I was lucky in that I had an old broken JDM door loom, so I removed the wire from that (the infamous pink wire) and it simply pushed into the back of the UK connector. This goes into the front-most of the 2 connector blocks for the window/mirror switch unit.
This pink wire also had to be secured along the door loom and threaded through the grommets.
Below is a photo of threading a couple of wires through from an early installation (although this is from an early installation attempt, the final one was a little more difficult due to the 4 wires plus covering).
Now you can re-install the door loom through to the A-pillar. Dont forget to plug the speaker back in unlike me!!
Now install the mirror retract relay. Youll need to remove the panel underneath the steering wheel, just 4 screws at each corner, followed by unplugging your foglight buttons etc.
Then remove the lower part of the air duct that is now in view just one screw on the right.
If you look up, youll see theres a place for this relay to go next to an existing one. Heres how it looks once fitted.
Now the final hurdle, attaching your wires to the retract relay. Using some lengths of wire I made my own loom and attached this to the connector that I had for the relay (pic below). The loom I made, had 4 wires long enough to go from the retract relay to the passenger A-pillar, 5 wires (4 for retract motor, and 1 for retract button) long enough to the drivers A-pillar, then 2 more for the live and earth.
Here is a photo of my loom connected at the passenger A-pillar. Note that its only loosely attached to existing wires, just so it doesnt flap about or get tangled in your passengers feet!!
To know which wire from the mirror goes to which wire on the relay connector, follow the diagram below (paying particular attention to the wire colours as youll see that brown wire in pin 4 is actually greener than the green wire!!).
Here is my drivers A-pillar before joining up the wires. Note that when creating my new loom and extending the wires from the retract motors, I didnt have the correct coloured wire but I used coloured tape to avoid getting them mixed up.
Now, to sort the power, I attached the wire for the live to the cigar lighter, and the place I used for earth is circled below (its the screw hole that the trim panel uses). Also, once connected up, make sure you secure the wires so that they dont get in the way of the foot pedals.
And this is the ring type crimp I used on the earth wire to enable me to use the screw hole.
Thats all. Hopefully now youll have folding mirrors.
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
i would have just bought another car at that rate...lol...good work buddy!
MR2 Night Fox
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
It's really not that difficult to do, and I'm no electrical whiz
Also, if anyone is thinking of doing this then I can supply them with a wire that'll snap straight into the back of their door/window connector of their UK door loom for the retract button
Also, if anyone is thinking of doing this then I can supply them with a wire that'll snap straight into the back of their door/window connector of their UK door loom for the retract button
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
thanks for posting, this is going to come on useful for fitting my new mirror
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
Great post.
Love my folding mirrors and i was lucky as they came with the car.
Love my folding mirrors and i was lucky as they came with the car.
Rev 3 GTS
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
Great post, i'm looking to get retractable mirrors on my 93 turbo.
Which model did you have and year?
Where did you get the parts from?
Which model did you have and year?
Where did you get the parts from?
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If you connect the 12v pink wire to a permanant live rather than a switched live you can connect them to your central locking on the car to have folding mirrors working on the alarm as well
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cabbydave1 wrote:If you connect the 12v pink wire to a permanant live rather than a switched live you can connect them to your central locking on the car to have folding mirrors working on the alarm as well
Just take a feed from the central locking wiring in the door (put diodes in & I put a switch in as well) then they will fold with lock and unlock whether you have an alarm or not.
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
esty112 wrote:Great post, i'm looking to get retractable mirrors on my 93 turbo.
Which model did you have and year?
Where did you get the parts from?
Easier to do on an import...
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/kb.php?mode=article&k=92
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cabbydave1 wrote:If you connect the 12v pink wire to a permanant live rather than a switched live you can connect them to your central locking on the car to have folding mirrors working on the alarm as well
Cheers cabbydave, thats a great idea, with look so cool having them automatically fold and unfold
Just need to get the next service out the way before moving onto the mirrors
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
I have just bought the full loom, relays, door switch and mirrors off Foxy-Stoat but only after reading your write up on the OC.
I shall be fitting them soon and adding Dave's suggestion as well but I would be grateful if could have the wire and connector Johnny. PM me if you think I need it.
BTW - there is also a write up 'auto up' mod for the drivers window a simple diode soldered to the switch PCB. Will take minutes to do this at the same time as the mirror retrofit.
Thanks,
John.
I shall be fitting them soon and adding Dave's suggestion as well but I would be grateful if could have the wire and connector Johnny. PM me if you think I need it.
BTW - there is also a write up 'auto up' mod for the drivers window a simple diode soldered to the switch PCB. Will take minutes to do this at the same time as the mirror retrofit.
Thanks,
John.
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
Torero wrote:I shall be fitting them soon and adding Dave's suggestion as well but I would be grateful if could have the wire and connector Johnny. PM me if you think I need it.
BTW - there is also a write up 'auto up' mod for the drivers window a simple diode soldered to the switch PCB. Will take minutes to do this at the same time as the mirror retrofit.
The advantage of the wire I can supply is that it'll clip into the door switch unit connector perfectly, pm me your address if you want it (it won't be pink though, I used that one myself ).
You don't need to do the auto-up mod either, that's something you'll gain when you put the import door switch unit in
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
I'm going to be attempting this mod on a UK car but with the 2 Turbo doors I have aquired as they come complete with Retracting Mirrors, Switch, & Door looms.
Am I right in thinking with my particular setup that this is as easy as just extending the relevant 4 wires from the plug on the end of loom (each door) and feeding them to the retract relay plug/relay? I'm hoping that everything is the same apart from the 4 wires.
I don't know the differences between the A-Pillar plug for the door loom on the UK & Turbo cars and can't find a wiring diagram for the retract mirrors. Not sure how the turbo loom plug corresponds with the UK A-Pillar socket if this makes sense?
Am I right in thinking with my particular setup that this is as easy as just extending the relevant 4 wires from the plug on the end of loom (each door) and feeding them to the retract relay plug/relay? I'm hoping that everything is the same apart from the 4 wires.
I don't know the differences between the A-Pillar plug for the door loom on the UK & Turbo cars and can't find a wiring diagram for the retract mirrors. Not sure how the turbo loom plug corresponds with the UK A-Pillar socket if this makes sense?
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
On a rev4+ it's definitely easier to use the existing looms - as they have the wiring for the heated glass.
I'd still say it'd be easier on earlier revisions to use the existing looms, if not you're going to be fiddling with wiring in the footwells, probably hacking the end of the import door looms as they'd be connected to nothing when they plug into the rest of the UK loom.
I'd still say it'd be easier on earlier revisions to use the existing looms, if not you're going to be fiddling with wiring in the footwells, probably hacking the end of the import door looms as they'd be connected to nothing when they plug into the rest of the UK loom.
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
Thanks.
Mines a UK Rev3 and doesn't have the Heated Mirrors.
I'll see what happens when I start taking both new & old doors apart.
I should have said that I am fitting both the turbo doors to my car as they are in better condition with no dents or rust. It would be a lot easier for me if I don't have to start swapping door looms over.
Mines a UK Rev3 and doesn't have the Heated Mirrors.
I'll see what happens when I start taking both new & old doors apart.
I should have said that I am fitting both the turbo doors to my car as they are in better condition with no dents or rust. It would be a lot easier for me if I don't have to start swapping door looms over.
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
stuMR2xrv wrote:I should have said that I am fitting both the turbo doors to my car as they are in better condition with no dents or rust. It would be a lot easier for me if I don't have to start swapping door looms over.
The connections on the end of the UK/import door looms are the same, and I believe all the pins are the same for the windows/speakers/lights etc.
But you'd have to hack into the end of the door loom to connect the wiring to the mirror control unit.
The choice is yours
When I put in import door looms into my UK car, something didn't work, but can't remember what it was - but I put this done as mos likely the import loom I bought had a broken wire somewhere (I went back to UK looms).
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
Thanks for the info. That's what I'm hoping. Will report back if it works.
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
Hopefully once I get this working I can try and make them operate with the central locking.
I notice in some of the above posts that this can be achieved by a feed from the central locking wires with diodes. How big do the diodes need to be?
Is the pink activation wire negative switching as I know the central locking wires are having installed remote central locking? I was a bit confused as there is also mention of 12V+ feed.
I'm no expert on wiring so would appreciate any help on this. Do I need to use a relay?
I notice in some of the above posts that this can be achieved by a feed from the central locking wires with diodes. How big do the diodes need to be?
Is the pink activation wire negative switching as I know the central locking wires are having installed remote central locking? I was a bit confused as there is also mention of 12V+ feed.
I'm no expert on wiring so would appreciate any help on this. Do I need to use a relay?
Re: [Mk2] [NA] Folding mirrors on a UK car
stuMR2xrv wrote:Is the pink activation wire negative switching as I know the central locking wires are having installed remote central locking? I was a bit confused as there is also mention of 12V+ feed.
The 12V+ feed just folds/unfolds the mirrors once the mirror control unit has received the 12V trigger from the pink wire.
Can't help with your other questions though