Porsche Boxster drivers - bigger knobs than Beemer drivers?

[luthor1]

You'd rather have a 2.5 litre tiptronic 'box 1997 Boxster over a 1998 Rev5 tubby with Tein Coilovers and 'foibles' corrected coupled to a sensible 290bhp tune?

No, i'd rather have a manual boxter... had no idea you could get turbos with tiptronic boxes?

Get turbos with Tiptronic boxes? Can you read?

Parse that sentence again and explain where I am saying that the Turbo is Tiptronic??

Your evasion of my qeustion is demonstration enough that your want for a Boxster is very much dependant on the model, and not as you'd have us believe, some idiotic notion that the generic sentence "boxsters are better than MR2 Turbos" is true.

I would like, Lauren, for you to stand up (metaphorically) and tell everyone on this forum that you'd rather have a Tiptronic 2.5l boxster over a well sorted 1998 MR2 Turbo with the little bits and bobs done.

If you aren't prepared to say that, then you have admitted once and for all that it's not all about the 'better car' in the slightest. It's a package, and once it's a package there are opinions.

Come on Lauren, write this: "I would rather have the automatic tiptronic 2.5l Boxster over the well sorted 1998 Turbo MR2"

[Lauren]

When you compare cars Andy it is churlish to compare a modified tubby with a standard boxter. It needs to be standard for standard.

err its not for you to try and tell me what i will admit or not. HTH.

Me not answering your question rather is a demonstration of the pointlessness of it.

But just for you:

"I would rather have the manual 2.5l Boxster over the well sorted 1998 Turbo MR2"

[weegaz22]

anyone care to enlighten me on these "facts"

[luthor1]

Well I'm comparing a tiptronic 2.5l boxster against a well sorted MR2.

Fact is, you cannot bring yourself to say you would have an 'automatic' Boxster! That's the point...

And now that point has been made, the generic statement "Boxsters are better than MR2's" dies away, as does the smugness which drips from every page of this topic.

Churlish: "vulgar, rude, having a poor disposition". Would you like to choose a different word? Your thesaurus has failed you this time, unless you really think it's "rude and vulgar" to compare cars where one has alterations? When you try to use uncommon and clever words, at least know what they mean.

Personally I think it perfectly apposite to consider an MR2 Turbo with a few modifications, in the same way you might add sat nav, traction control or leather seats to your spec sheets when you purchase your Porsche... or even when buying the MR2 Rev2 you could have bought an option LSD. Why not consider a few cheap massively valuable aftermarket parts to prevent the well known issues preventing the car working as intended?

Finally, it is perfectly fitting for me to say what you will or will not admit, since you are continuing to not admit it You not answering my question is demonstrating your paradoxical predicament in which you can taste the victory of proving me wrong and saying you'd drive it, whilst knowing deep down you'd hate the tiptronic boxster as much as I would, therefore you'd be turning your back on a fundamental requirement of your driving peasure. To answer would be to step down from your own standards, but to answer would finish off my argument and leave me floundering in your dust.

Are you going to take the Pyrrhic victory or continue to 'plead the 5th' ???

[weegaz22]

your never going to solve these arguments

[Lauren]

The trouble is Andy, why are you insisting on comparing a tiptronic boxster and not a manual one?

Is it because with a manual boxster, even a lowly 2.5, it would still be preferable than a car that you have to modify to a reasonable extent to make it half decent?

[weegaz22]

The trouble is Andy, why are you insisting on comparing a tiptronic boxster and not a manual one?

Is it because with a manual boxster, even a lowly 2.5, it would still be preferable than a car that you have to modify to a reasonable extent to make it half decent?

more likely down to the fact an autobox is going to be less of a drivers car, just a shame the tubby never came as an auto


its handy to know that my car is better than a boxter though

[Lauren]

more likely down to the fact an autobox is going to be less of a drivers car, just a shame the tubby never came as an auto


its handy to know that my car is better than a boxter though

Its solely down to the fact that people don't like autos. Comparing a manual boxster which would surely be the logical choice, the boxster is going to be preferable over an mr2 turbo.

[luthor1]

I'm pointing out, for the umpteenth time, that generalisations such as "boxster better than mr2 tubby" is a weak statement.

Simply that everyone has a number of criteria they judge a car, some of them factual (it has a convertible roof, or it has rear wheel drive) and some of them emotional (I like the progressive rear end, I like the speed of response to steering inputs, I like the way the pedal feels during hard braking) and unqualified statements such as "a is better than b" is difficult to stomach.

I'd agree that a stock boxster 's' is a fine car, balanced and purposeful. But, a late model MR2 Turbo does everything the porsche does, however it feels slightly different in the corners. Not to some peoples taste, but different. Since it will produce similar laptimes at a track, everything else you describe is *your feelings* and in no way can be described as better or worse. *you* prefer it, that's great but personally, what you find great (and I really do understand about balance, poise, cornering on the limit, predictability and reward) I find lacking in character. If I can hustle an MR2 Turbo with a similar power to weight ratio round a track the same pace as Mr Porsche man whilst he wafts effortlessly from apex to apex and I'm sawing at the wheel keeping ol' faithful on the grey stuff, then my pleasure is another mans torture. To me my experience is 'better' whereas you hate fighting it I LOVE it.

Video evidence proves it beats the all-conquering Carrera4 round a track so ultimate pace is not the issue, so "a is better than b" is simply invalid and for newbies reading this thinking about getting a tubby, I won't let you and the Porsche 'mob' talk them out of it by your sweeping generalisations.

[nakamura]

Although i disagree with your boxters comments Lauren, id have a rev5 turbo and day but that is just my choice. I do however totally agree the cars must be compared stock for stock.

[Lauren]

I'm pointing out, for the umpteenth time, that generalisations such as "boxster better than mr2 tubby" is a weak statement.

Simply that everyone has a number of criteria they judge a car, some of them factual (it has a convertible roof, or it has rear wheel drive) and some of them emotional (I like the progressive rear end, I like the speed of response to steering inputs, I like the way the pedal feels during hard braking) and unqualified statements such as "a is better than b" is difficult to stomach.

I'd agree that a stock boxster 's' is a fine car, balanced and purposeful. But, a late model MR2 Turbo does everything the porsche does, however it feels slightly different in the corners. Not to some peoples taste, but different. Since it will produce similar laptimes at a track, everything else you describe is *your feelings* and in no way can be described as better or worse. *you* prefer it, that's great but personally, what you find great (and I really do understand about balance, poise, cornering on the limit, predictability and reward) I find lacking in character. If I can hustle an MR2 Turbo with a similar power to weight ratio round a track the same pace as Mr Porsche man whilst he wafts effortlessly from apex to apex and I'm sawing at the wheel keeping ol' faithful on the grey stuff, then my pleasure is another mans torture. To me my experience is 'better' whereas you hate fighting it I LOVE it.

Video evidence proves it beats the all-conquering Carrera4 round a track so ultimate pace is not the issue, so "a is better than b" is simply invalid and for newbies reading this thinking about getting a tubby, I won't let you and the Porsche 'mob' talk them out of it by your sweeping generalisations.

It just smacks of you clutching at straws to lend credence to your argument though by trying to compare an automatic boxster to a manual modified turbo.

I just find that though there is some satisfaction in mastering an idiosyncratic handling car, there is a lot of satisfaction in mastering a well sorted car. I prefer the well sorted car, because you can do more with it and ultimately push it further.

[luthor1]

Comparing the ridiculous automatic Boxster to the '2 turbo simply serves to demonstrate the equally ridiculous statement - "boxsters are better than MR2 Turbos". Once I dispatch that statement, suddenly you are coming out with the far more sensible 2nd paragraph of your last post, rather than the condescending "DING" posts of late (read above whomever cares).

For the newbies: If you've never tasted the MR2 turbo, and go straight from a Mk1 NA or a MK2 NA to a Boxster/Nissan 350Z/RX-8 jelly mould, you will be missing out on some of the best experiences in driving in the '2 turbo. Take it to a track, it'll do nuts things and make you laugh all day, then perhaps, move on to something more expensive, but like me, you'll say it's different, not better.

[weegaz22]

For the newbies: If you've never tasted the MR2 turbo, and go straight from a Mk1 NA or a MK2 NA to a Boxster/Nissan 350Z/RX-8 jelly mould, you will be missing out on some of the best experiences in driving in the '2 turbo. Take it to a track, it'll do nuts things and make you laugh all day, then perhaps, move on to something more expensive, but like me, you'll say it's different, not better.

if by "newbies" you mean me then have a closer look at what i drive, infact ill give you a full list of everything done to my car

MK1 MR2 T-bar

REV1 Turbo engine with 62k on it
St205 Front brake setup
Rev2 Mk2 Rear calipers with grooved and vented Corado G60 discs
St205 Chargecooler Setup with Astra radiator up front
Brand New Koni's suspension with Apex springs
Stainless Braided Flexible brake pipes
Greddy Boost gauge
Plumley Spolier with LED rear brake light
Veins Front Bumper
Angel Eye Spotlights
Hella Twin Front Headlight Conversion with Low Rise modification
17 Inch Kosei RG alloys with Toyo Proxes T1-S 205/45/17 tyres
Genuine Toyota replacement sills
Genuine Toyota Front wings
Front Bumper bar with new metal straps to hold bumper on
Rear Bumper bar with new metal straps to hold bumper on
JD Panels Three Part Rear Arch Repair Panels
Fiat Coupe Turbo Front Radiator with Twin Fans
Twin 10 Inch Spal fans on Engine Lid
Turbo Vented Engine Lid Conversion
Walbro Fuel Pump
New Battery
New Clutch
Apexi Induction Kit
XS Downpipe
Custom Auto Solutions 3 inch Stainless Exhaust System
Rogue Manual Boost Controller
Sbits Fuel Cut Defencer
Full Professional Suspension Geometry setup to TRD settings
Full respray in Solid 2 Pack
Fully Undersealed
New Front Bottom Ball Joints
New Front Track Road Ends
Fully Polybushed Suspension
New Modified Fiesta Drop Links Front and Rear
New Rear Bottom Ball joints
New Rear Track Control Arm Rod Ends
Mk2 Rev 1 Rear Anti Roll Bar
Clear Front Camry Indicator Lenses
Mk2 Brake Master Cylinder
running 1 bar
magnacores
bkr7e's

so i think i should have a rough idea of what a turbo'd 2 goes like, ive also been in better machinery, the difference is between a modded mr2 and a stock boxster is that the modded mr2 is always "full on" it doesnt settle down into a car with good road manners, where as the boxster will be a sports car when you want it to be

thats why i say the boxster is the better car

[luthor1]

You're clearly not a newbie - however you are paid up member of the 'woe is me' poor me bleeding heart poverty stricken, happy-to-be-poor self depracating scumbag-esque type who spends many thousands of pounds on something they clearly don't hold in good regard.

Sir, you are an ass.

[Lauren]

You're clearly not a newbie - however you are paid up member of the 'woe is me' poor me bleeding heart poverty stricken, happy-to-be-poor self depracating scumbag-esque type who spends many thousands of pounds on something they clearly don't hold in good regard.

Sir, you are an ass.

GLOL!

Its got nothing to do with him undermining your argument has it?

[luthor1]

I guess you are too scared (yes scared) to answer my actual points, you'd rather butt-in at an interesting juncture and digress massively from the blatant tail-whipping you've received during the last 5+ posts.

Don't live off someone elses 'apparent' glory Lauren, you should be able to do better than that.

He's not a newbie, as he claims, everyone can see that. It's a poor attempt at "Lauren pipe smoking". I've seen it before. It's also a convenient escape route for you when your reasoned argument runs dry, and frankly, you are coming over all Sahara right now!!

[luthor1]

As for weegaz22, all your dreams are available here:

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/

so long! Fair well! Auf Wiedersehen, goodnight!!

[Lauren]

I guess you are too scared (yes scared) to answer my actual points, you'd rather butt-in at an interesting juncture and digress massively from the blatant tail-whipping you've received during the last 5+ posts.

Don't live off someone elses 'apparent' glory Lauren, you should be able to do better than that.

He's not a newbie, as he claims, everyone can see that. It's a poor attempt at "Lauren pipe smoking". I've seen it before. It's also a convenient escape route for you when your reasoned argument runs dry, and frankly, you are coming over all Sahara right now!!

ROFLLAAB!!

[weegaz22]

You're clearly not a newbie - however you are paid up member of the 'woe is me' poor me bleeding heart poverty stricken, happy-to-be-poor self depracating scumbag-esque type who spends many thousands of pounds on something they clearly don't hold in good regard.

Sir, you are an ass.

awww luthor...you pi$$ed cos you just got b1tch slapped?

you see luthor this is why im not a paid up member of this site, because there are a few narrow minded individuals on it like you that ruin it for everyone else, your argument has just been shot down in flames and now you are resorting to slinging insults when you know f#ck all about me

i love my car, im a petrolhead like everyone else on this site and others, i just know, unlike you that there is far better machinery out there, and i can admit it

As for weegaz22, all your dreams are available here:

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/

so long! Fair well! Auf Wiedersehen, goodnight!!

thanks mate, but i've already had a porker


good day

[weegaz22]

oh and luthor if the mk2 tubby is so great, why did you post this on twobrutal???

tbh I have always appreciated the 3s engine, and have had a couple of Mk2 tubbies. I just didn't like their handling one bit. (no offense anyone!!

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=1648

you sir are a hypocrite