All over for G164 CKV... didn't make the moon after all.

[rev3turbo]

Well I tell you what, lets wait and see how long the engine lasts now that it's running again.

If it was just the starter, then surely it'll run and run. If not HS will find himself at the side of the road with a dead engine.

I agree. so far theres been all these pages of guessing games but still nothing makes sense.

[KarlBristol]

I'm watching the 3rd royal flying pig squadron doing their aerobatics display outside my house.

I saw them last week mate - they were really impressive Lol

Pleased that another mr2 is up and running again

However...

Disappointed in how certain members have talked about others on this thread even given the situation. I didn't expect imoc members to conduct themselves in that manner and I certainly was surprised to see people having their reputations flung around and personal snipes at other members who have offered their opinion. As far as I'm concerned it's an open forum so if you post a topic which may be contentious expect a few replies that you don't like. People are entitled to their opinion but common sense would say that you don't bite the hand that feeds you (ie the garage/your ex-friend who had your car at the time and the moderators of the forum!)

Im nothing to do with this thread but Charged and Luke I would just like to say sorry on behalf of those of us that regularly use imoc as its clear an apology won't come from elsewhere.

Even if Luke did miss something - he's only human and everyone makes mistakes. Te be fair if a car was dropped to me to find out what was wrong but they werent willing to pay anything towards this venture I can't imagine that I would invest a lot of time trying to find out. Fling money at it and it will get fixed!! I presume your not paying the new garage in magic beans? - why not just have cut out the middle man and get luke to do a proper job?! I am not bias and have never met nor dealt with Luke before before that gets brought up. Just looking at the situation from the outside with a relatively logical view.

I presume that as highwaystar even said themself that he was sick with the car, this car scene, the money it drains, the stresses that it was putting on his relationship, etc.... That his car is still going to be sold??! I can't see how having a running engine or not is going to change that?

Anyways ... I await the sale thread with baited breath

Just my 2p for the little it's worth

[Blue_2]

I'm completely neutral on all this but if I told a customer his engine had seized when in fact it was the starter I'd have been sacked...

[Blue_2]

Having said that i cant believe that luke or one of his mechanics wouldnt have checked or even suggested removing the starter.

But from reading this thread it looks like a school arguement.. starts with two people and then their friends join in giving their two pence worth.

I also believe it will be very hard to find out whose in the right and whose in the wrong as sides of the stories been told will always change to reflect better on themselves. so how anyone one can take sides is a joke!

[Marf]

I'm completely neutral on all this but if I told a customer his engine had seized when in fact it was the starter I'd have been sacked...

And that would be illegal unless you'd been with the company less than 12 months

[planted1]

And thats completely superfluous to the point he was making.

[DAN_REV1_TURBO]

So is the car running ok now?

[Blue_2]

I'm completely neutral on all this but if I told a customer his engine had seized when in fact it was the starter I'd have been sacked...

And that would be illegal unless you'd been with the company less than 12 months

My point is it such a simple check it would of been done.

[Peter Gidden]

And that would be illegal unless you'd been with the company less than 12 months

[Nails]

much is this but Ive been waiting to use it but nothing has been relevant either

[PW@Woodsport]

I refer the honourable gentleman to posts number 7 and 17 on page 1 of this thread.

[jasongtr]

[planted1]

Yep,
Ever thought of retiring to Devon

[dazzz]

Steady on Paul it's me who's got it!

When I recieved it, the engine was locked because no.4 was full of fuel.

On removing the belt, and turning the crank, it's not good. Very stiff and awful noises.

We haven't got our heads together yet to decide whether to spend more money diagnosing.

Did the crank get turned?

[splashnatz]

I'm glad your cars OK HS.

Wonderful response from peter and paul - amazing to find two places that were both willing to help like that.

Now ... onwards to the MOON !

[PW@Woodsport]

I wouldn't be dancing hoops just yet chaps, nobody has explained the fact number 4 was full of fuel.... The failed starter could just be a result of that, I'd wait until it covers some miles before saying its fixed, Luke found the engine hard to turn with plugs out/belts off etc

There is still more going on than just a starter failure

[HighwayStar]

Well now, me again, the OP, back for one more final post. Are you all ready? All sitting comfortably? Good, then I'll begin...

Once upon a time I was told my engine was dead by an MR2 specialist. I obtained no logical explanation for this. That engine and the car it's in are now back on my driveway and appear to me to be driving and sounding fine. It certainly at this point in time doesn't seem to be catastrophically and terminally seized as I have been told it was based on the observation that I've just driven it here. Time will tell I guess as has been mentioned but certainly it would appear that it's all running fine right now.

The garage who have returned it to me in this seemingly miraculous working order state that as far as they are concerned the problem has always been just an electrical one. The only part required has been a new starter. I will leave you to figure out the who, how and why of the thing but suggest a recap of the first page should explain how I personally reached the conclusion that it was an electrical issue. I will likewise leave it to you to figure out why the specialist dealing with the car didn't reach the same conclusion and refused to discuss this apparent electrical issue with me his paying customer although he himself had just undertaken electrical work to the car to rectify an electrical issue which wasn't rectified and why he felt no obligation himself to investigate it any further without more payment. Whether this refusal was anything to do with the fact that he himself presumably at this point believed that the engine was seized and had no other explanation (none was provided) and didn't want to get into the consequences I again leave to you.

As Karl says it's been disappointing for this thread to have degenerated into the finger pointing and sniping between members that it has. However, I must wearily continue to point out two most basic facts. Firstly that other peoples opinions, whilst allowed free rein on this thread, are likely to be dismissed unless those people are prepared to explain on what facts they are actually based. Nobody as yet has posted to otherwise explain the dying batteries after the alternator change.
Secondly and much more importantly I have to stress that these opinions do not negate my legal rights since I am the customer and not them. If anyone in this country pays a professional for their expertise and workmanship but the issue is either not cured or indeed seemingly made worse then they have the right to question said professional for an explanation and if appropriate to ask them to make amends. It is the denial of this right by the professional involved and the continued ignoring of this right by his friends that I object to and will continue to object to until the end of time. You cannot just shout down peoples rights under law. A professional fee I'm afraid demands a professional service. This all started with an electrical issue and since the specialist took money to diagnose and rectify the issue and since the issue was obviously not rectified I have the right to ask why and demand a response.

I will leave you to debate or argue over all of this as much as you like. As I've stated I've had quite enough of it all. If Luke didn't want his work to be questioned on these forums he should have had the decency to address it with his customer whilst he had his car for a month. As suggested I will leave it up to each of you to reach your own conclusion as to why he did not.

I'm not sure if Brys suggestion for all traders to boycott me and refuse to have anything to do with me will go very far if it does indeed turn out as it currently looks like it will... that their own spare engines, parts and free time would be wasted rectifying an issue that doesn't appear to exist outside of Lukes head. I hope though that they would all agree that an existing customer of theirs, who has already paid for their expertise, knowledge and skill without getting the results expected following it might deserve rather more careful consideration.

R.

[Marf]

Given you were quite happy to throw around libellous statements I'm not sure anyone is going to take much notice of your harping on about consumer rights. You clearly couldn't give a sh-t about Luke's legal rights.

And thats just for starters.

Do let us know when the engine keels over, I'm sure we'll all read your next thread blaming the garage who "fixed" your car with gusto.

I'm not sure if Brys suggestion for all traders to boycott me and refuse to have anything to do with me will go very far if it does indeed turn out as it currently looks like it will...

And I wouldnt blame any of them, not only for the shifty way you've dealt with it but also for throwing around allegations and blatantly lying to the forum about the car being sent to be broken when in fact you'd instructed the garage to fix it so you could crow about how apparently easy it was to fix in an attempt to smear Luke.

You've very publicly painted yourself into a corner and if I were an MR2 specialist I'd not touch your car with someone elses bargepole!

[dazzz]

If i were to inform a customer of mine that his equipment had failed when it turned out just to be a service item, i'd get a warning.

If i'd have repaired a piece of equipment, then it had failed more or less straight away, i'd be finding out what has failed. If it was my fault i would repair, if it was just coincidence i'd ask the customer what he would like to do.

Good customer service is the key.

[oldskoolhrdcore]

Well now, me again, the OP, back for one more final post. Are you all ready? All sitting comfortably? Good, then I'll begin...

Once upon a time I was told my engine was dead by an MR2 specialist. I obtained no logical explanation for this. That engine and the car it's in are now back on my driveway and appear to me to be driving and sounding fine. It certainly at this point in time doesn't seem to be catastrophically and terminally seized as I have been told it was based on the observation that I've just driven it here. Time will tell I guess as has been mentioned but certainly it would appear that it's all running fine right now.

The garage who have returned it to me in this seemingly miraculous working order state that as far as they are concerned the problem has always been just an electrical one. The only part required has been a new starter. I will leave you to figure out the who, how and why of the thing but suggest a recap of the first page should explain how I personally reached the conclusion that it was an electrical issue. I will likewise leave it to you to figure out why the specialist dealing with the car didn't reach the same conclusion and refused to discuss this apparent electrical issue with me his paying customer although he himself had just undertaken electrical work to the car to rectify an electrical issue which wasn't rectified and why he felt no obligation himself to investigate it any further without more payment. Whether this refusal was anything to do with the fact that he himself presumably at this point believed that the engine was seized and had no other explanation (none was provided) and didn't want to get into the consequences I leave again to you.

As Karl says it's been disappointing for this thread to have degenerated into the finger pointing and sniping between members that it has. However, I must wearily continue to point out two most basic facts. Firstly that other peoples opinions, whilst allowed free rein on this thread, are likely to be dismissed unless those people are prepared to explain on what facts they are actually based. Nobody as yet has posted to otherwise explain the dying batteries after the alternator change.
Secondly and much more importantly I have to stress that these opinions do not negate my legal rights since I am the customer and not them. If anyone in this country pays a professional for their expertise and workmanship but the issue is either not cured or indeed seemingly made worse then they have the right to question said professional for an explanation and if appropriate to ask them to make amends. It is the denial of this right by the professional involved and the continued ignoring of this right by his friends that I object to and will continue to object to until the end of time. You cannot just shout down peoples rights under law. A professional fee I'm afraid demands a professional service. This all started with an electrical issue and since the specialist took money to diagnose and rectify the issue and since the issue was obviously not rectified I have the right to ask why and demand a response.

I will leave you to debate or argue over all of this as much as you like. As I've stated I've had quite enough of it all. If Luke didn't want his work to be questioned on these forums he should have had the decency to address it with his customer whilst he had his car for a month. As suggested I will leave it up to each of you to reach your own conclusion as to why he did not.

I'm not sure if Brys suggestion for all traders to boycott me and refuse to have anything to do with me will go very far if it does indeed turn out as it currently looks like it will... that their own spare engines, parts and free time would be wasted rectifying an issue that doesn't appear to exist outside of Lukes head. I hope though that they would all agree that an existing customer of theirs, who has already paid for their expertise, knowledge and skill without getting the results expected following it might deserve rather more careful consideration.

R.

With the greatest of respect and from the most biased of eyes, I really really hope your car dies, your attitude and use of bewildering fanciful writing makes me want to tear my eyes out . Your sparse use of the truth and baited statements are venomous if you read between the lines. Luke won't reply as he said pages and pages back it was his last post on the matter, unlike yourself he is a professional, not wanting to have a pointless sparring match infront of the world over an issue you 'pages and pages back TOLD HIM YOU DIDN'T WANT HIM TO PLAY ANY FURTHER PART IN !
also the very first thing Luke changed on your car was the starter motor and yet you neglect to mention this fact:.......anyway sir, I shall leave your fate to karma.