[Mk2] [Turbo] Been Fleeced?

[Rhiannan]

3k is too much for a rev 1 turbo imo, even a mint one! And by the sounds of it this one ain't mint
I guess it's a combination of bad luck and being too trusting in the seller. I'd be kicking up a serious stink if I were you, do you have anything in writing promising the work they were supposed to do?

Unfortunatly with most used car sales you get what you buy and it's the buyers responsibilty to check out the car as best you can. I missed a couple of things on my little Golf I just bought, I was pi$$ed off at the people who sold it to me but at the end of the day I should have spotted it. So I had to pay out straight away to fix.
Just the joy of cars I suppose.

But I would be kicking some ass if you bought this from a dealer who you had an agreement with.

[JeffD]

3k is too much for a rev 1 turbo imo

I couldnt agree more - you could of got a rev3 for that much! DOH!

Little unclear about the thread who you bought it off? If youve bought it direct off Andy then you have no come back, but if you have bought (and I presume invoiced) off the dealer then BY LAW the car must be fit for purpose which it is clearly not. Trading standards is the way to go buddy...

Personally, I think traders who try to duck out of responsibility should be kicked off the forum! This is not the first case of poor service from SBits and Ive personally suffered from it in the past.

[jj2766]

If a car is bought from a garage / company then its always been my belief that they have to give a 3 months warranty from date of sale UNLESS a SAS ( Sold as seen) notice is signed by the seller and the purchaser, 3 weeks after i bought mine the ECU failed and the garage i bought it from had to replace it at no cost to me ( apart from the vehicle recovery )

J

[raptor95GTS]

while I agree with a seller having responsibilty for stuff they sell, it would appear there was another garage involved in changing the oil filter after the car was purchased. If the sump is then dry after this with a broken engine then it's hardly right to blame the original seller for that.

[JeffD]

it would appear there was another garage involved in changing the oil filter after the car was purchased. If the sump is then dry after this with a broken engine then it's hardly right to blame the original seller for that

I know what you mean but peter has admitted some of the work was not done properly. Really, he should of fixed this himself if nothing more than to protect himself from any following accusation. The other garage wouldnt of needed to be involved at all if he had just done the job properly in the first place.

[BenF]

From this statement alone i would be asking questions of the garage you took the car to have a look at the oil filter.

With regard to the car dumping its oil, The garage I took the car to asked me which cowboy had fitted the oil filter as it had been jammed up against the turbo so badly that it took them over a hour to cut the old filter off.

Then few weeks later the car grinds to a halt on the motorway at 7am after doing a night shift, Seems there is very little oil left in the car????

Oil does not evaporate. You must of either had a serious leak somewhere or the correct amount of oil was never put back in the car after they changed the oil filter.

FWIW, I have had the oil seal on a Toyota filter fail in the past after fitting a new one.

That was my fault though - I'd not lubed up the seal before fitting the filter, and as it had gone on it had developed a slight tear.

I had driven the car for ~8 miles before I noticed the problem ( lots of smoke from the engine bay as the oil was burnt on the exhaust ) and driving it slowly home (having topped up with oil) I just replaced the filter with a new one. If I had not noticed the problem and continued driving the car, the engine would have eventually seized due to lack of lubrication.

Sounds like this may have been the problem here.

With regard to the sale - who was the money paid to for the car, ie. who 'sold' it ?

If there are problems following the sale, you need to follow that up the vendor directly, although in this case it appears some work was done following the sale so complicating things.

[raptor95GTS]

jeff, Peter accepted there was an error made and advised the new owner to get the work done locally - this would save time for the owner. The fact it's gone belly up after this other garage did the work is something else and not one that Sbits can be held up for. The other issues are something for new owner and sbits to sort amongst themselves

[Stretchermunkey]

If the dash lights had been working properly as they should have been, I might have noticed the little red light telling me oil was getting low,
Until the car is stripped there is no way of knowing what cause the oil to run so low. Although there is no sign of any leakage from the new oil filter.

[tonigmr2]

Dash light only comes on when it is too late anyway.

Checking oil should be something you do regularly on an older car IMHO, particularly when a mechanic has been mucking around with it. It wouldn't be the first time something wasn't tightened properly!

Sorry to hear of your troubles though.
T

[Martin F]

From this statement alone i would be asking questions of the garage you took the car to have a look at the oil filter.

With regard to the car dumping its oil, The garage I took the car to asked me which cowboy had fitted the oil filter as it had been jammed up against the turbo so badly that it took them over a hour to cut the old filter off.

Then few weeks later the car grinds to a halt on the motorway at 7am after doing a night shift, Seems there is very little oil left in the car????

Oil does not evaporate. You must of either had a serious leak somewhere or the correct amount of oil was never put back in the car after they changed the oil filter.

very interesting ...and i totally agree

it very much sounds as if this garage caused the problem maybe, cutting an oil filter out, not good, what were they cutting, hitting etc...could have damaged the oil gallery and did they even fill the car back up with oil properly.
peter says that the car came from an enthusiast and he's worked on the car himself so unless there's something i don't know it's the garage that changed the oil i'd be looking at prosecuting, especially if no oil leaks can be found...just thinking out loud so no quoting please

[Stretchermunkey]

As I mentioned earlier there is no way to prove liability with regard to how the car came to be so short of oil, until I have enough spare cash to pay for an engineer to strip the engine I will have to wait.
As soon as I get this done I will post.

[Hellboy]

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it never ceases to amaze me how much people expect from ancient, old cars. Any rev1 is an old scrapyard-dodging dog by now, and is on borrowed time - you simply cant expect to hammer up and and down motorways all day long and expect it to be reliable. If my rev3 turbo that i bought (privately) blew up the day after, it would of been a bummer, but i brought it on the proviso it had no warranty and it was sold as seen. I know it could go pop at any time being 12 years old - I'd never dream of taking it abroad.

If you want peace of mind and reliability, you get your wallet out and you buy a new(er) car. If you buy old cars, you take your chances, it really is that simple IMO.

My Rev one is mint and is not a scrap dodger - so

[Club Tropicana]

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it never ceases to amaze me how much people expect from ancient, old cars. Any rev1 is an old scrapyard-dodging dog by now, and is on borrowed time - you simply cant expect to hammer up and and down motorways all day long and expect it to be reliable. If my rev3 turbo that i bought (privately) blew up the day after, it would of been a bummer, but i brought it on the proviso it had no warranty and it was sold as seen. I know it could go pop at any time being 12 years old - I'd never dream of taking it abroad.

If you want peace of mind and reliability, you get your wallet out and you buy a new(er) car. If you buy old cars, you take your chances, it really is that simple IMO.

My Rev one is mint and is not a scrap dodger - so

I'm afraid it is, but you can't admit it, because its your car. My rev3 turbo is mint, but i'm happy to admit its a scrapheap dodger. I'm also happy to admit I should of tried harder at school so I didn't have to drive old obselete (but fun) Jap sports cars

[Hellboy]

jeff, Peter accepted there was an error made and advised the new owner to get the work done locally - this would save time for the owner. The fact it's gone belly up after this other garage did the work is something else and not one that Sbits can be held up for. The other issues are something for new owner and sbits to sort amongst themselves

LOL sound like none of you know why the oil filter burst?

If it had a REV 3 turbo elbow on it would burn a hole throuhg the oil filter, hence why it dumped its oil. if the garage that then replaced the faulty filter but not angle grinded a section of the elbow away then he would have the same issue again.

This is my car with said mod....

[Hellboy]

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it never ceases to amaze me how much people expect from ancient, old cars. Any rev1 is an old scrapyard-dodging dog by now, and is on borrowed time - you simply cant expect to hammer up and and down motorways all day long and expect it to be reliable. If my rev3 turbo that i bought (privately) blew up the day after, it would of been a bummer, but i brought it on the proviso it had no warranty and it was sold as seen. I know it could go pop at any time being 12 years old - I'd never dream of taking it abroad.

If you want peace of mind and reliability, you get your wallet out and you buy a new(er) car. If you buy old cars, you take your chances, it really is that simple IMO.

My Rev one is mint and is not a scrap dodger - so

I'm afraid it is, but you can't admit it, because its your car. My rev3 turbo is mint, but i'm happy to admit its a scrapheap dodger. I'm also happy to admit I should of tried harder at school so I didn't have to drive old obselete (but fun) Jap sports cars

hmmmm, totally new suspension , good paint, no rust, all electrics work, good seats, good carpet, all new mechanicals and a overhauled engine and turbo. and no expence spared in servicing it and looking after it.

got one dent in a sill but that dont make it a scrapper to me...

[Stretchermunkey]

Re-reading my post's I should have mentioned that the oil filter was replaced before the replacement clutch was fitted, so anything as obvious as an ill fitting oil filter probably would have been noticed whilst fitting.

[-:[KM]:-]

Which garage cut the oil filter off?

It'd be interesting to know the sequence there...

If they ground/sawed it off, how did they stop metallic shards from entering the oilways? Then, if they ground the pip off the elbow, did they cover the filter mounting plate?

Also, I'd check the invoice from them. It WILL say on there how much oil was put in, because any garage WILL charge for 4.5 or so litres of good synthetic... If they don't, tell us the name for a free sump full of oil with every filter bought.

Sensibly though. It does sound like they had the last touch of the lubrication aspect here.

[pcp]

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it never ceases to amaze me how much people expect from ancient, old cars. Any rev1 is an old scrapyard-dodging dog by now, and is on borrowed time - you simply cant expect to hammer up and and down motorways all day long and expect it to be reliable. If my rev3 turbo that i bought (privately) blew up the day after, it would of been a bummer, but i brought it on the proviso it had no warranty and it was sold as seen. I know it could go pop at any time being 12 years old - I'd never dream of taking it abroad.

If you want peace of mind and reliability, you get your wallet out and you buy a new(er) car. If you buy old cars, you take your chances, it really is that simple IMO.

My Rev one is mint and is not a scrap dodger - so

I'm afraid it is, but you can't admit it, because its your car. My rev3 turbo is mint, but i'm happy to admit its a scrapheap dodger. I'm also happy to admit I should of tried harder at school so I didn't have to drive old obselete (but fun) Jap sports cars

this is a little off topic but is this a scrapheap dodger?

[Club Tropicana]

No, its a rare classic Ferarri worth a small fortune. Not a mass produced Japanese sports car worth next to peanuts

[Anonymous]

the guy was promised a spot on car,and paid a good price for that!
imo when he recieved it he shouldnt have had to mess around with anything on the car! seeing as it came through a specialist who are supposed to know what they are doing! let alone it still needing a list of stuff doing!

personally i wouldnt have accepted it,and asked for my money back!

my 2p