now I'm stuck in two minds keep the na or go turbo?

[madbasshunter]

I thought very seriously about buying a well modified and maintained turbo last year, as keep thinking I should have a turbo. Eventually I decided to stay with the car I know, and the next thing I see is it's new owner has it in a garage being rebuilt as its dead

[Ryan S]

Get out and test drive a turbo and then decide if that is what you want to look at getting one.

One hard pull should be enough to make up your mind. I can tell you now, the moment you drive one you'll want one

[pistol pete]

i have owned and driven loads of turbos.. they are great..
but
I run a well sorted NA in sprint series and on track.. and that is a lot of fun
for now sticking with the na, great on track, and cheaper to maintain

[gavsdavs]

The best things about the n/a
- you can thrash the nuts off the engine and it will reward you for it.
- The engine isn't powerful enough to get the rears spinning unexpectedly.
- They brake and handle as well as any turbo - so on a track a well driven n/a can embarass turbos (doffs hat in pete's direction).

The worst things about the n/a
- you have to thrash the nuts of them to get anywhere quickly.
- The engine isn't powerful enough. Full stop. They're a bit noisy on a motorway.
- You will be out accelerated by a 2.0TD eurobox

They're a good learning platform to get to know the weight distribution and general handling. They don't bite like a turbo can - but if you like speed, you know you'll always be looking for one.

Enjoy the n/a, learn the car, keep your eyes open for a good turbo.
Preserve the n/a to strip for a track or an engine conversion of some sorts.

[pistol pete]

As gave said.. For road use its gotta be a turbo.. Na is dire on the road..

[Marf]

Curveball... why not consider a V6?

[craig]

Curveball... why not consider a V6?

As the Americans say, 'no replacement for displacement!"

[mattm117]

Pro's and Cons of a v6 verses a turbo.... Anyone?

I'm considering a v6 by the way but havent researched it enough yet.

[thomp1983]

v6 v turbo is difficult to compare. a 3vzfe v6 (early 90's camry engine) in stock form with a couple of simple tweaks and decent downpipe design will see 220bhp which is rev1/2 turbo power but with far more useable torque from idle. they can be easily diy'd for less than a grand and are a very straightforward swap. next is the 1mzfe (late 90's camry) which is abit more complicated to wire than the 3vz but still straightforward enough similar tweaks and exhaust design will see you to 240ish bhp. again a sub 1k diy build is possible

after that 4k gets you the vvti version of the 1mz which is about 250bhp or 6-7k will get you the 2grfe which is 350bhp. all the v6's have supercharger options. the headline bhp figures aren't brilliant for the v6's but they offer so much driveability my 3vz will pick up rapidly from 25mph in 5th no lag no waiting for a turbo to spool.

id never swap my 3vz for a turbo for fast road driving yes the most ill tweek out of it is 240bhp but for me that's plenty I have my bike for speed. the other issue in my eyes is cost a sorted v6 can be done for £2k including buying the car mines currently at sub £1500 a decent forged turbo setup id imagine is creeping to 5-6k for that money id rather be in something else but that's a personal choice

chris

[Ryan S]

Pro's and Cons of a v6 verses a turbo.... Anyone?

I'm considering a v6 by the way but havent researched it enough yet.

Pros, bags of torue and a lovely soundtrack, cons, no scope for a great deal of tuning, not without spending a small fortune. Still not as quick as a turbo. Fuel consumption? Although turbos can be gutsy!

[Marf]

Pro - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_PkswoXMx0#t=67

Con - £££ to do conversion - though there are 3 V6 Mk2s for sale on ebay at the moment. 2GRFE would be awesome but £££££

[danjama]

Pro - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_PkswoXMx0#t=67

Con - £££ to do conversion - though there are 3 V6 Mk2s for sale on ebay at the moment. 2GRFE would be awesome but £££££

phwoooooaaaarrr

[thomp1983]

both 3vz and 1mz conversions are considerably cheaper than a turbo swap, you can buy a whole 3vz camry for the same money as a decent turbo gearbox, I sold a complete drop in 3vz setup earlier this year for £700 whats the going rate for a rev3 turbo setup or even a rev2?

[2mad]

As the Americans say, 'no replacement for displacement!"

As I always answer, "There is a replacement for displacement, its cauld a turbocharger, supercharger or nitrous oxide" lol



V6 tubby would be so awesome

[Ben]

Curveball... why not consider a V6?

As the Americans say, 'no replacement for displacement!"

'Murica!

[madbasshunter]

What are the weight differences between an na engine and a turbo compared to a v6?

[gavsdavs]

What are the weight differences between an na engine and a turbo compared to a v6?

3vz - ~200bhp = ~469lb
1mz - ~220-240bhp = ~346lb
2gr = ~300bhp = ~350lb
3sge = 150-170bhp = ~300lb (?)
3sgte = ~240+bhp = 421lb (?)
(weight of chargecoolers/pumps/etc)

E153 is also heavier than an S54

Source:
http://www.mr2.com/forums/archive/index ... 81951.html

Never realised the alloy blocks where THAT much lighter !

[2mad]

Massive surprise ^^ how light v6's are

[Mikey637]

I've been wanting a 1mz since before I even owned the mr2. Buckets of low down torque and relatively decent mpg means I could still use it as a daily. What's the average cost for conversions and maintenance of a v6?

[thomp1983]

maintenance is very little extra beyond the normal running costs of an n/a. as for conversion costs ive no idea of the going rate as I diy which would be £1500 max even if you bought a woodsport converted wiring loom but id imagine there'd be little change from £3-4000 for a pro conversion from either woodsport, sbits or rogue