Handling issues - advice

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Race Idiot
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Re: Handling issues - advice

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Marf wrote:Best setup I found was 16x7/8 with 205/50 and 225/45 performance tyres.

Handled amazing, could feel what the tyres were doing as the sidewalls were just tall enough to flex sufficiently to communicate the road fully and with AD08s it was amazing wet or dry, hot or cold.


If you arent anal about having the correct rolling radius 225/50 works fine on the rear and to me it feels nicer than 225/45. The difference in the speedo reading is marginal after comparing it with gps.

McStrut suspensions work better with more sidewall anyway and the car rides better!

The only advantage 17s have is there is a larger amount of modern rubber available to choose from.
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^^^ true that, even the tyre selection for 16s is starting to dwindle

Damn this trend for huge wheels on tiny cars!

McStrut suspensions work better with more sidewall anyway and the car rides better!


Hmm interesting, I guess that's why the RX7 doesn't feel as inert as the MR2 did on 17s as it has double wishbones all round.
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Marf wrote:^^^ true that, even the tyre selection for 16s is starting to dwindle

Damn this trend for huge wheels on tiny cars!

McStrut suspensions work better with more sidewall anyway and the car rides better!


Hmm interesting, I guess that's why the RX7 doesn't feel as inert as the MR2 did on 17s as it has double wishbones all round.


See this post by lauren on mcstruts and sidewall width
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic. ... 093#131093

Double wishbone is definitely the better setup, but its not like mcstruts are terrible seeing as bmw/porsche etc manage to use em.
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Re: Handling issues - advice

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the biggest thing in f1 cars before the race is the correct TYRE's anything else is to support the tyres and wheels so people talking about other stuff is really not gonna make as much difference compare to tyres.

best tyres for road use is goodyears eagle f1 asymetric 2... check the reviews, forums its the best

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goody ... tric-2.htm

I believe the best setup is tyres width front 215 and rears 245.
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Re: Handling issues - advice

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An Mr2 is not an F1 car. They also spend the previous two days doing all the suspension set up first ... camber, toe etc etc as well as ride height and spring rates etc. All done before tyre choice.
I think you'll find tyre stagger and car geo just as important as tyre compound for a properly handling 2.

As for 215/245 best stagger.... not if they wont fit the wheels and also a bit over rubbered for an n/a.
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HighwayStar wrote:An Mr2 is not an F1 car. They also spend the previous two days doing all the suspension set up first ... camber, toe etc etc as well as ride height and spring rates etc. All done before tyre choice.
I think you'll find tyre stagger and car geo just as important as tyre compound for a properly handling 2.

As for 215/245 best stagger.... not if they wont fit the wheels and also a bit over rubbered for an n/a.


Also an f1 cars tyre is the most compliant part of the suspension, its a world away from an mr2.

Agreed the 245 is way too much for an na.
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Race Idiot wrote:

Also an f1 cars tyre is the most compliant part of the suspension, its a world away from an mr2.


Yep, not particularly relevant.

I agree though, suspension condition/type and geometry are just as important as tyres.
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Gullzter wrote:If you are going to buy good tyres for the rear make sure as everyone else has said to stagger them, but also you will have to buy better than bufget for front aswell.. Reason being the front does not have much weight on them so you will get understeer if using budget.
I would say a little toe in is good to combat the understeer as that is what im running and it goes through corners pretty well.
Any pics of the way everything sits just now as that way gives everyone a better idea of how your wheels/tyres sit?


Couple of poor quality phone pics to give you an idea, if i put 225/45/17 on the back then they are going to sit outside the arches, unless i remove the 25mm spacers in which case they will (possibly) sit too far in!:
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Whats more important to you? Looks or handling?

Stick with looks and put up with crap handling

Bring the rear wheels in 10mm, fit wider tyres and enjoy better handling.

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Handling is more important to me, looking for a set of 16's...
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What are people's thoughts to Team Dynamics pro race 1.2 in 16"

16x7 ET35:

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RedMR² wrote:What are people's thoughts to Team Dynamics pro race 1.2 in 16"

16x7 ET35:

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Love them so much =P~ want them for my st205 :thumleft:

Can you get them staggered in 16" say 7 front 8 rear :-k


Theres a few sellers on ebay that sell them, they might be able to help with a staggered set :thumleft:



Ps. I'm a total jdm whore and sill love them lol :eye:
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2mad wrote:
RedMR² wrote:What are people's thoughts to Team Dynamics pro race 1.2 in 16"

16x7 ET35:

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Love them so much =P~ want them for my st205 :thumleft:

Can you get them staggered in 16" say 7 front 8 rear :-k


Theres a few sellers on ebay that sell them, they might be able to help with a staggered set :thumleft:


They are nice mate, I'm tempted. Demon Tweeks only list a 16x7. :-k
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Theres a few sellers on ebay, if Team Dynamics make an 8jj they might be able to source them for you (ask demon thieves too, never know )

I know they do an 8jj in 17" .
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2mad wrote:Just had a check, no joy mate .. http://www.teamdynamicsracing.com/pro-r ... race12.htm


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No worries, I'd consider 16x7 all round with staggered tyres, but would obviously prefer staggered wheels.

The set of 16s I'm waiting on are 16x8 and 16x7 ET32 all round. 8)
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Re: Handling issues - advice

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I ran 7jj front and rear with 17's (215/40/17 and 235/40/17) and it scared the hell out of me. I would much rather go 17" and staggered.


The wheels your waiting on sound perfect (maybe 5mm_r & 3mm_f spacers) :mrgreen:



Kev.


Ps. You could go double staggered with the Team Dynamics pro race 1.2
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Re: Handling issues - advice

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Yeah, I'd much rather have staggered widths, and staggered tyres as Toyota intended. :thumleft:
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Re: Handling issues - advice

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RedMR² wrote:Yeah, I'd much rather have staggered widths, and staggered tyres as Toyota intended. :thumleft:


From experience, absolutely agreed :thumleft:
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