Brake pads

[ian08]

Guys,
can someone please tell me if new brake pads usually come with the wear indicators or do I need to buy them separately?
I've cleaned off the sliders on my back brakes today but the shim/wear indicator on the one side has corroded and dropped to bits.... I might drop new pads in all around while I'm at it.

[LimeyMk1]

There are fresh wear indicators on all new pads, although there aren't any of the clips that the pad slots into they're a Toyota item unfortunately.

[ian08]

ok thanks, that's about standard then... most old Jap cars seem to have the hardware set as a separate thing.

[LimeyMk1]

ok thanks, that's about standard then... most old Jap cars seem to have the hardware set as a separate thing.

There are seperate clips that sit between the pads and carrier but they're not wear indicators.

[Lauren]

That'll be anti-squeal shims. You can get them from Toyota no probs.

I got some for my car (albeit an AE86) were around £7 IIRC.

[ian08]

usually on old jap cars we get a hardware kit ..... ie the clips that fix the pads to the carrier, the pins and the spring, then we get the pads and anti squeal shims which sometime come with the pads, sometimes not.
As the wear limit indicators seem to be incorporated into the shims, I wondered whether they came with a new set of pads or it they needed to be bought separately..... seems they come with the pads.
The fixing clips are fine on my brakes, just the shims that have rusted.

[elbon50]

usually on old jap cars we get a hardware kit ..... ie the clips that fix the pads to the carrier, the pins and the spring, then we get the pads and anti squeal shims which sometime come with the pads, sometimes not.
As the wear limit indicators seem to be incorporated into the shims, I wondered whether they came with a new set of pads or it they needed to be bought separately..... seems they come with the pads.
The fixing clips are fine on my brakes, just the shims that have rusted.

Try coating the back of the pads with coppergrease Ian

You'll probably not need anti squeal shims

I don't always use em

[cartledge_uk]

Try coating the back of the pads with coppergrease Ian

You'll probably not need anti squeal shims

I don't always use em

Thats the worst possible advice

Copper grease can eat the brake seals, so if you spread it everywhere your only going to cause more problems. You should use rubber or silicone grease

[elbon50]

Try coating the back of the pads with coppergrease Ian

You'll probably not need anti squeal shims

I don't always use em

Thats the worst possible advice

Copper grease can eat the brake seals, so if you spread it everywhere your only going to cause more problems

I've never had any problem with that Tim

A light coating has never spread anywhere I didn't want it to

[cartledge_uk]

I've never had any problem with that Tim

A light coating has never spread anywhere I didn't want it to

Its science fact, not science fiction. If its on the back of the pad it will be in contact with the piston seal

If you don't believe me, google why not to use copper grease on brake pads/parts.

All i'm saying is use high temp silicone or rubber grease

[elbon50]

I've never had any problem with that Tim

A light coating has never spread anywhere I didn't want it to

Its science fact, not science fiction. If its on the back of the pad it will be in contact with the piston seal

If you don't believe me, google why not to use copper grease on brake pads/parts.

All i'm saying is use high temp silicone or rubber grease

Far be it from me to disbelieve you Tim

The point you make is no doubt valid

However, the back of the pad is not in contact with the cylinder dust cover, unless of course the cover is already stretched out of shape

The pad backing is in contact with the edge of the piston

If you want to use rubber grease that's fine with me

I may even review my own proceedures in future

Thank you for making the point Tim

Contrary to popular belief I always take careful note of other peoples ideas

[Lauren]

I've got tbh, for the sake of the £7 or so for what is the anti-squeal shims which have a bit that plugs onto the end of the piston, it simply isn't worth doing any other way.

Copper grease on where the pad slides in the caliper mounting bracket, but nowhere else.

[elbon50]

I've got tbh, for the sake of the £7 or so for what is the anti-squeal shims which have a bit that plugs onto the end of the piston, it simply isn't worth doing any other way.

Copper grease on where the pad slides in the caliper mounting bracket, but nowhere else.

Your argument is perfectly sound Lauren

Don't see how anyone could quarrel with it

However, I often use another method which has worked well for me over many years

Wouldn't want anyone to follow my example if they felt unsure