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Discussion and technical advice the SW20 MR2. 3S-GTE, 3S-GE, 3S-FE etc
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Dale_V
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Post by Dale_V »

:lol: id rather laugh about it than cry, but ive spent £5k in one year on my NA. These cars get to an age and start going wrong, its just wear and tear , and Toyota parts arn't cheap which doesnt soften the blow. Maybe ive been a little over protective of mine, but I like to catch and replace things before they completely wear out/brake :D

The main things ive done are:
Radiator
Distributor
coil pack
ignitor
HT leads
Spark plugs
4 sets of tyres (gunna need 2 rears shortly also... £120 each" 8-[ )
cambelt
2 coolant changes
handbrake cables
4 sets of brake pads (sticking capliers dont help!)
set of rear disks
too many oil changes O:) (every 3k)
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Mines a 1992 "J"
Done 83k miles. I just did 3k in a year and appart from the clutch slipping and the gas on the aircon running out nothing has gone wrong. (Well the knock sensor but that was my fault)

The problem with early cars and aircon is people put the new style gas in. It works for a short while then totally (profanity edited by admin) up the system. People then go back for a re-gas and find out the hard EXPENSIVE way that it's got plenty of gas.
Apparently this happens alot on older cars and it's often a prev owner or re-filler thats done it.
I'm preying it hasnt happened to mine.
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Post by twistywizard »

I have had mine for a Year now nearly

Nothing apart from consumables has been replaced, it is undergoing a full engine rebuild due to previous owner neglect, but that isnt the cars fault anyway!
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Touch wood, my MR2 turbo is the most reliable car I've had!! [-o< [-o<
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Touch wood, my MR2 turbo is the most reliable car I've had!! [-o< [-o<
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Cant afford the varying fuel turbos use for my 16000 miles a year
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g14nnh wrote:i really want a turbo, but hear so much bad things about em im in half a mind to stick with the trustty n/a that seems to serve most people well.....or maybe i just give my car to fonzy and let him clip it hmmmmm :-k oh the decisions.... :-k

yeah blood i agree what happened to the fuel protests...lets start it up again :mrgreen:


Turbos all a con! They all go fast like an N/A (maybe a little top end) but a car is a car in this country, 70mph remember :wink:

.....erm someone told me this view 8-[
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Yeah me to g14nnh.... I have considered it, but the turbo engine won't last as long as the NA, not without a lot of reworking etc, but I still want one anyway! Shame it eats so much fuel....
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hard luck dude.

i recon its probably something to do with buying second hand parts, and then INCORRECTLY fitted.
if youd bought new parts, it may have been a different matter.

its just bad luck mate.
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Post by Raf »

Graeme Shaw wrote:

Ive had metros, escorts, fiestas, orions and i have to say my mr2 turbo is the most unreliable car ive ever known.



That is bad luck mate and some things are part of the package of owning a fast car. I've had a few MR2's now and had lots of other "fast cars" with the worst being an Audi S2. I find that the MR2 is extremely well built and can take alot more canning than most.. especially turbo'd cars!

One thing though... it does depend on who fixes your car... most mechanics round my area havent a clue about an MR2 but they will still "give it a go"... not suggesting anything but you've had alot of components replaced twice so it maybe down to the garage or the way you treat it/drive it?

it might be worth getting an MR2 specialist (plenty on here) to look over it once its fixed again but to answer your question... NO and its unfair to compare it to the cars you have compared it to!!! compare it to an escort RS turbo and you'd be glad to have bought the MR2!!!!

chin up fella
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Post by BrianUK »

Virtually all of the things you guys have mentioned as failing are the kind of faults you eould expect to find on an old car...

The radiator failed on my '90 rev 1 - Big deal - its 15 years old! I can think of many other cars that I have owned - and on which i have to spend far more than £110....

Nearly every day Im out on the road in my G reg car I see vehicles of halve the age covered in rust and looking like thet should me on the way to the scrap heap.

How any G reg Ford Sierras do you see on the roads - assuming Ford Sierras where out then!

The only way to make sure you dont end up with 'fair wear and tear' bills is to buy new - how much is a new 240 bhp sportser gonna cost??
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Ok


First, most of the bits have been fitted by a pro, someone who knows mr2s like no one else on here.

All parts have been new or reconditioned, with the eception of the gearbox, but to be honest i simply could not afford a new box from Toyota!

Also my list is only the major things that have gone wrong!

I havent included things like afm, knock sensor, brake discs, drop links and the like
I so love the car but just think i can do better.
Am thinking about blowing 20 grand on an esprit!
:shock:
Graeme
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i reckon its just the turbo's that aren't so reliable...my n/a seems great. i've only had to replace alternator, and according the the history its only had to have a ball joint, clutch, and battery ever!
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Well after reading this topic i aint feeling so happy.... Just gone out and bought a 93 turbo. I heard they were supposed to be reliable little motors, but not by the sounds of it. Fuel and consumables dont bother me... if you want a performance car then you gotta pay the price.. i had an evo b4 this and that cost me a bomb... still worth it imo.. just the smile on my face when i plant that right foot is worth every penny... if you enjoy driving and love cars dont let anything stop you from having what you want... it's only money, its there to be spent, some people smoke drink and spend 80quid every weekend on a night out....... me personally i would prefer to blow it all on my motor.


... i would never go any other way than jap now... you think these are unreliable drive european :-& I'm picking my tub up on friday and well looking forward to it.....

i rekon it all depends on how you look after your motor.... and always always tuck it in at night :tongue:
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At last count I think I've owned around 15 cars in the 10 years I've been on the road. Come to think of it it's 10 years TODAY since I passed my driving test. \:D/
Anyway I digress, I've owned three mk2 MR2's one of which a turbo and I find them unbeatable for everyday reliability.
I've had NO reliability issues in my current MR2 turbo in 19 months of ownership. She starts first time every time never over/under heats sails through MOT's she's perfect and I hate having to sell it.

So why do I have such luck and others not?
Maybe it's not down to luck, it took me AGES to source a mint car, a low mileage well cared for car and I was prepared to pay the owners asking price without question.
Regular maintenance counts, every 3000 miles she was serviced by the previous owner and then by me.

If I was to buy a decent mk2 Turbo again I'd really struggle because of how many poor examples there are on the market *cough* ebay *cough*
However with the global power that is the Internet and more topically here at imoc it's the place for MR2 n00bs to gain extensive knowledge and know what’s a kipper and what’s not!
steve
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i've had mine since april '04 and done approx 16,000 miles - only had to change normal service parts :?
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There are bad cars out there - you just have to make sure when you pick a car up its in as good condition as you can find. Spending 2k on a rough car versus 4k for a mint example costs you 2k extra - but you'll end up saving in the long run as the car, if mint, will have been well looked after.

For balance, my old Rev2 Turbo had done 35,000 miles when I bought it in '98, and sold it earlier this year with 154,000 miles, and I have to say it was utterly reliable, even tuned to 280-300bhp.

I did plenty of trackdays in it (boost turned down) and in one year 30k miles - throughout it never left me stranded at the side of the road needing a tow. I did service the car myself, use fully synth oil and always keep it in top condition so I could enjoy driving it to the full.

In that time, the only engine work it had done was a new turbo and at the same time top-end refresh including a thicker HG. I replaced the suspension in 2000 with more Bilstein units, and later replaced the suspension bushes around 120k miles. These are all to be expected for the mileage.

Brakes, tyres, bearings were all consumables that you've got to expect doing that kind of mileage.

If you've replaced parts that have failed on your car with 2nd hand parts from breakers, they'll have been cheap as they'd be towards the end of their life - so them needing replacing again isn't really that much of a surprise - its the price you pay.

For example, I've just picked up a 2nd hand alternator for my trackday Mk1. A Reconditioned (as new) alternator was going to be £130ish, the same one rewound/rebuilt one from a local motor electrician about £80, and one from a scrappy off a car they're breaking was £37 delivered to my door.

I'll bought the £37 part, knowing that there's not too much life left in the part, but it should do for a year or two, which is all I need.
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Graeme Shaw wrote:
Am thinking about blowing 20 grand on an esprit!
:shock:
Graeme


and you think you got problems with a toyota
mate, dont do it, dont you know what lotus stands for?
Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious ](*,)
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Post by twistywizard »

MY old man owned a Lotus Esprit from new

He said it was the most unreliable car he has owned, although he loved it

No car is safe, last year he bought a Brand new M3, within 3 months it needed a new gearbox!!!!!!

Things like Brake Discs and Drop links are serive items, you would have to change these or similar on every car you own

If you cant afford the car its simple sell it!
Hugo

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Post by Hugo »

Am thinking about blowing 20 grand on an esprit!

Dont do it mate, You will really have problems, I had one, the list of constant faults makes your list look small.
I convinced myself that a Lotus Car would be reliable and that I could drive it as an every day car. How wrong I was, the electrics had a mind of its own she would just stop starting for no reason. It spent more time in a garage having little problems ironed out than on the road. Bought the car for about 15K thinking that it would be a decent car even paid a premium by getting it through a Lotus dealer. Ive had kit cars that were better built. I still think that £ for £ the MR2 is fantastic value. Keep persevering with it.

Hugo
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